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Post by neilj on Jan 19, 2024 11:37:32 GMT
Seems a bit harsh, would have thought Johnson and Truss would be more deserving of it
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Post by neilj on Jan 19, 2024 11:39:29 GMT
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Lab 43% (-1) Con 25% (+1) Lib Dem 11% (+1) Reform 9% (-1) Green 6% (=) SNP 3% (=) Others 3% (=)
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Post by alec on Jan 19, 2024 11:59:34 GMT
leftieliberal - "Covid vaccines have saved more than 420,000 lives in England and Scotland, according to an analysis by the World Health Organisation (WHO)." Absolutely. They've been brilliant at mitigating the damage in the emergency phase of the pandemic, less effective as the sole long term measure, but yes, the evidence is abundant clear; vaccines saved hundreds of thousands of lives. We could do so much better now if we just moved on from vax n' relax to a properly coordinated public health strategy that targets transmission also. The only quibble I would have is the comment on "rare allergic reactions". They aren't rare. Under proper medical definitions, 'very rare' = 0.01%, 'rare = 0.01% - 0.1%, 'uncommon = 0.1% - 1%, 'common = 1% - 10% and 'very common' = >10%. Systemic side effects are extremely common (>50%) for the mRNA jabs, although it must be said that most of these are generally considered as mild and self limiting. However, I've seen a lot of doctors advise patients to book a day off after the mRNA jab because so many people report adverse reactions. Under any other circumstances, that level of reactogenicity would be deemed as unacceptable, and while given the balance of risk that wouldn't mean the covid jabs were removed from use, it would mean that a large scale effort to produce better vaccines would be mounted. It's also worth focusing on the more serious end of adverse reactions. The myocarditis issue (which is very rare) garnered most of the headlines, and while this is serious, it is treatable, and is a much lower risk than the same condition after infection if unvaccinated. What is far less commonly known is that severe GI tract (gastric) issues are common in many post vax patients. There is mounting evidence that the mRNA jab can cause or exacerbate gut dybiosis in a significant number of individuals, and without wishing to get into personal details, this is my partners experience. One dose of mRNA jab resulted in nearly 12 months of significant difficulty, to the extend that she was warned not to risk a second or subsequent dose. (It's a great weight loss option, less so if you're slim to start with). That's just fucking brilliant, when your government refuses to deploy the non-mRNA alternatives and both they and everyone else has given up on controlling transmission. So in our case, while everyone else rages about a few weeks lockdowns three years ago, they're quite happy to consign people like us to a permanent state of lockdown, even while telling us we 'need to move on'. Thanks a bunch, society. Apologies. Rant over, although it does rather make my blood boil at times. What is interesting is that we are now seeing a rational discussion of the pros and cons of the first generation vaccines within the science community. Up to around six months ago, scientists were routinely told not to raise anything negative about the covid jabs as they would be labeled as anti-vaxxers and lose funding etc. That was a huge mistake. Glossing over the areas where the jabs failed to perform and the high levels of side effects left the field open for the anti vaxxers, and they've made hay. Every sudden death of a well known younger person is no claimed as a vaccine injury, where we know that vaccines aren't causing the high level of cardiovascular illness in younger people, but covid infection post vaccination is. That's why we had 10% excess deaths in the 20 -44 age cohort in the UK last year. If we can get to the point where we have more honesty about the first generation vaccines, we can start to build greater trust by acknowledging where they underperformed and failed. That will help counter the anti-vax nonsense, and spur the development of better second generation products. Apologies for the long post. It rather ran away with itself.
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Post by graham on Jan 19, 2024 12:07:43 GMT
Techne Lab 43% (-1) Con 25% (+1) Lib Dem 11% (+1) Reform 9% (-1) Green 6% (=) SNP 3% (=) Others 3% (=) Smallest Labour lead with this pollster since end of September 2023.
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Post by shevii on Jan 19, 2024 12:22:25 GMT
Techne Lab 43% (-1) Con 25% (+1) Lib Dem 11% (+1) Reform 9% (-1) Green 6% (=) SNP 3% (=) Others 3% (=) Smallest Labour lead with this pollster since end of September 2023. Most of the other pollsters have been going the other way though. With 10 months to go and still little movement in over a year this really does look like a 30% Tory vote General Election, more or less similar to 1997-2005, so not unprecedented.
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Post by neilj on Jan 19, 2024 12:37:05 GMT
Labour lead the tories 32 to 22 on immigration, banging on about it is only likely to turn ever more people to Labour, Libdems and Reform. Continually reminding people of your failures isn't a good election strategy
Redfield Wilton today
'Labour is more trusted than the Conservatives on EVERY policy issue prompted.
Which party do voters trust most on...?
(Labour | Conservatives)
NHS (42% | 17%) Housing (39% | 17%) Education (38% | 20%) Economy (35% | 24%) Immigration (32% | 22%) Ukraine (28% | 26%)'
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 19, 2024 13:00:50 GMT
Local by-election results coming in. (edited as new results happen) Lab hold Tooting Broadway. Lab +6.7%. Con +0.8% LD hold Stannington. LD +0.3% Lab +4.8% Con -4.6% LD gain Hampton North from Con. LD +19.9% Grn -16.2% Lab -1.1% Con -16.2%LD hold Teddington.Con gain Hackney Cazenove from Lab. 1 result still waiting (Warwick), but I'm done for the night. The most important aspect of those results is that LB Richmond Council is now a Tory-free zone. As recently as 2014 the Tories won 39 out of 54 seats on the Council. How are the mighty fallen! The Anthony Wells research into the reliability of local government by election results as guides to later general election voting, shared recently by JamesE, showed how they grossly overestimate the Lib Dem share and significantly underestimate Labour's. However, and deeply worryingly for the Tories, they have tended to prove a pretty reliable guide to subsequent Tory performance. Mercy Man will not be a happy bunny.
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Post by neilj on Jan 19, 2024 13:18:09 GMT
Can't see this happening but it would surely be disastrous to Sunak if it did
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Post by leftieliberal on Jan 19, 2024 13:26:03 GMT
leftieliberal - "Covid vaccines have saved more than 420,000 lives in England and Scotland, according to an analysis by the World Health Organisation (WHO)." Under any other circumstances, that level of reactogenicity would be deemed as unacceptable, and while given the balance of risk that wouldn't mean the covid jabs were removed from use, it would mean that a large scale effort to produce better vaccines would be mounted. If we can get to the point where we have more honesty about the first generation vaccines, we can start to build greater trust by acknowledging where they underperformed and failed. That will help counter the anti-vax nonsense, and spur the development of better second generation products. Apologies for the long post. It rather ran away with itself. My only reactions have been to my first adenovirus (AstraZeneca) vaccination (which produced the most severe effect - chills) and to my second (Sanofi-GSK) booster (soreness around the injection site, but that could have been caused by the adjuvant). So mRNA vaccines have been better for me. Most people, I think, would accept reactogenicity if the alternative is a significantly increased risk of dying. I think that people are too blasé about the achievement of the covid vaccine; when they started the hope was that just one of the approaches might work; that a number of different approaches all worked to a greater or lesser degree is better luck than we deserved.
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Post by alec on Jan 19, 2024 13:34:53 GMT
leftieliberal - I agree. I think vaccine hesitancy has also emerged as a result of the 'it's just a cold' meme. Continually calling something 'mild' and telling people 'it's over' are guaranteed to reduce their desire to vaccinate themselves.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 19, 2024 13:41:48 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world.
I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has.
What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see.
Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee.....
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Post by domjg on Jan 19, 2024 13:55:36 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... You may jest but navigating school drop offs/pick ups and state school issues more widely is something that tens of millions of 'real voters' do on a daily basis.
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Post by isa on Jan 19, 2024 13:56:29 GMT
Can't see this happening but it would surely be disastrous to Sunak if it did Well, Faisal Islam isn't normally the excitable, sensationalist type, so I'll certainly raise one eyebrow à la Roger Moore. Agreed, if it happened, I don't see how Sunak could remain in post. Could start an irreversible chain of events.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 19, 2024 14:09:00 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... To be fair to the Mummys there are relatively few of the more appropriate city cars made nowadays as manufacturers find it hard to make much money from them - Bless. I also heard a car sales person say that with ULEZ in London the favoured Mummy armoured car type vehicle which also happen to be the most favoured type for stealing, is becoming untenable in The Smoke and they're therefore having to be distributed through the used car trade around the rest of the country. So not only has London given us Boris Johnson, but also more larger road vehicles and more car theft as the light fingered brigade decamp to the country.
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Post by domjg on Jan 19, 2024 14:20:13 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... To be fair to the Mummys there are relatively few of the more appropriate city cars made nowadays as manufacturers find it hard to make much money from them - Bless. I also heard a car sales person say that with ULEZ in London the favoured Mummy armoured car type vehicle which also happen to be the most favoured type for stealing, is becoming untenable in The Smoke and they're therefore having to be distributed through the used car trade around the rest of the country. So not only has London given us Boris Johnson, but also more larger road vehicles and more car theft as the light fingered brigade decamp to the country. I've been waiting for the inevitable to happen and for people to start to move back to smaller cars as it just gets too uncomfortable to drive these things as there are more and more of them on our narrow roads with parking spaces designed for a Ford Cortina. Hopefully it's a wider trend. Even smaller cars are much safer than in the past if not hit by something much bigger (which is what in part caused the SUV arms race). When I think of the tin foil boxes we were driven around in as kids..
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 19, 2024 14:23:37 GMT
Not entirely. No one should get excited over individual polls, but the trend over a a long period is a very reliable indicator of the GE outcome. Government leads or small opposition leads (averaging under 7 to 8%) indicate that the government will be re-elected. Consistent large opposition leads (in excess of 8%) indicate a 'change of government' election is coming, although they don't tell you anything about the size of majority. That's what my 'average monthly opposition leads exercise is about. That model predicts the supposedly 'surprise' results in 1970 and 1992 correctly as well as all the more obvious ones. Having a bit of a slow day at work, so did something I've been thinking of doing for a while, looking at Lab and Con positions 9 months prior to a GE and at the start of the campaign proper. My politics professor always used to say people started to make their minds up around 9 months before polling day, primarily based on their own personal economic outlook. pjw1961 , I've used your table, and then taking historical polling data from wikipedia, from the '83 GE onwards. I think these are more relevant as the demographics of the electorates are closer to the one that will vote this year, and it covers a period of relative fluidity in voting patters. For each GE I took an average of 5 polls from around the time of the dissolution, and an average of three polls from 9 months prior to polling day. I've restricted it to Lab and Con, as the key factor in determining who wins/forms the gvt, is the difference in vote share between the two main parties. Average Subsequent 9 months prior to election When election called Final % share Lead election Lab Con Lab Con Lab Con 1992-97 25.8 Opposition 49.6 30.3 51.2 31 43.2 30.7 2019- 14.8 TBC! 44.0 26.0 2005-10 10.0 Opposition 25.6 42.0 30.6 37.8 29.7 36.91987-92 8.8 Govt 42.6 38.3 40.2 38.8 35.2 42.82010-15 6.1 Govt 36.6 34.2 34.2 35.2 31.2 37.8 1979-83 6.0 Govt 29.0 43.5 31.4 48.4 27.6 42.41983-87 5.4 Govt 38.0 33.8 31.6 42.0 30.8 42.21997-01 5.0 Govt 46.0 31.3 49.4 30.6 40.7 31.7 2001-05 2.7 Govt 34.3 31.6 37.6 34.0 36.2 33.2 2017-19 2.4 Govt 33.3 38.0 27.6 37.6 32.1 43.62015-17 0.0 Govt 30.6 39.6 24.6 45.6 41.0 43.5Overall, in 7 out of 10 cases , the Party that has led 9 months prior to polling day has gone on to win. Rather depressingly for Labour, 9 months out they have led 6 times, but only won 3. 4 times they have led at the time of dissolution, but once went on too lose. Whenever the Tories have led six months out or at the start of the campaign, they have won/formed the gvt. What should be of concern for Sunak and the Tories, is that in general there is less variation between their VI % both six months out and at the start of the campaign than that for Labour. The polls seem to be a more accurate indicator of level of Tory support - with the exception of '87, they rarely add more than a couple of % points to where they are 9 months prior to polling day. With the exception of '97, the best they tend to do is gain 4-6%, which would put them in the low 30's come polling day.
The most dramatic gain in VI during a campaign, is the insurgency one run by Corbyn, no one else gets close. But it is likely a total outlier, and unlikely to be repeated. 9 out of 10 times, the party that has led when the election is called, has gone on to win. There is also only one case where a party seems to have actually turned it round during the campaign, and that was '92. If Sunak is to stand a chance, he really needs to close the gap in the next couple of months, but there appears little evidence of this happening.
I genuinely think, given the information we have, its about 90% certain Labour will win with an OM, 9% chance of Labour being the largest party in a hung parliament, and 1% chance of the Tories being the largest party.
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Post by neilj on Jan 19, 2024 14:37:44 GMT
Not a good look for Sunak
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 19, 2024 14:44:34 GMT
Not entirely. No one should get excited over individual polls, but the trend over a a long period is a very reliable indicator of the GE outcome. Government leads or small opposition leads (averaging under 7 to 8%) indicate that the government will be re-elected. Consistent large opposition leads (in excess of 8%) indicate a 'change of government' election is coming, although they don't tell you anything about the size of majority. That's what my 'average monthly opposition leads exercise is about. That model predicts the supposedly 'surprise' results in 1970 and 1992 correctly as well as all the more obvious ones. Having a bit of a slow day at work, so did something I've been thinking of doing for a while, looking at Lab and Con positions 9 months prior to a GE and at the start of the campaign proper. My politics professor always used to say people started to make their minds up around 9 months before polling day, primarily based on their own personal economic outlook. pjw1961, I've used your table, and then taking historical polling data from wikipedia, taking the GE from 83 onwards. I think these are more relevant as the demographics of the electorates are closer to the one that will vote this year, and it covers a period of relative fluidity in voting patters. For each GE I took an average of 5 polls from around the time of the dissolution, and an average of three polls from 9 months prior to polling day. I've restricted it to Lab and Con, as the key factor in determining who wins/forms the gvt, is the difference in vote share between the two main parties. Average Subsequent 9 months prior to election When election called Final % share Lead election Lab Con Lab Con Lab Con 1992-97 25.8 Opposition 49.6 30.3 51.2 31 43.2 30.7 2019- 14.8 TBC! 44.0 26.0 2005-10 10.0 Opposition 25.6 42.0 30.6 37.8 29.7 36.91987-92 8.8 Govt 42.6 38.3 40.2 38.8 35.2 42.82010-15 6.1 Govt 36.6 34.2 34.2 35.2 31.2 37.8 1979-83 6.0 Govt 29.0 43.5 31.4 48.4 27.6 42.41983-87 5.4 Govt 38.0 33.8 31.6 42.0 30.8 42.21997-01 5.0 Govt 46.0 31.3 49.4 30.6 40.7 31.7 2001-05 2.7 Govt 34.3 31.6 37.6 34.0 36.2 33.2 2017-19 2.4 Govt 33.3 38.0 27.6 37.6 32.1 43.62015-17 0.0 Govt 30.6 39.6 24.6 45.6 41.0 43.5Overall, in 7 out of 10 cases , the Party that has led 9 months prior to polling day has gone on to win. Rather depressingly for Labour, 9 months out they have led 6 times, but only won 3. 4 times they have led at the time of dissolution, but once went on too lose. Whenever the Tories have led six months out or at the start of the campaign, they have won/formed the gvt. What should be of concern for Sunak and the Tories, is that in general there is less variation between their VI % both six months out and at the start of the campaign than that for Labour. The polls seem to be a more accurate indicator of level of Tory support - with the exception of '87, they rarely add more than a couple of % points to where they are 9 months prior to polling day. With the exception of '97, the best they tend to do is gain 4-6%, which would put them in the low 30's come polling day.
The most dramatic gain in VI during a campaign, is the insurgency one run by Corbyn, no one else gets close. But it is likely a total outlier, and unlikely to be repeated. 9 out of 10 times, the party that has led when the election is called, has gone on to win. There is also only one case where a party seems to have actually turned it round during the campaign, and that was '92. If Sunak is to stand a chance, he really needs to close the gap in the next couple of months, but there appears little evidence of this happening.
I genuinely think, given the information we have, its about 90% certain Labour will win with an OM, 9% chance of Labour being the largest party in a hung parliament, and 1% chance of the Tories being the largest party.
A very good piece of work, Hammer Woman. I think I hear the sound of distant single gun shots in a number of walled mansions in the Home Counties. And then the eerie sound of silence. I hope Colin makes a swift and reassuring reappearance and that Mercian arrives to rendezvous with me tonight at the Burlesque Bargepole in Droitwich. As he knows, it's Friday Special tonight. If he misses that, I will become concerned about his wellbeing.
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Post by mercian on Jan 19, 2024 14:49:57 GMT
The most important aspect of those results is that LB Richmond Council is now a Tory-free zone. As recently as 2014 the Tories won 39 out of 54 seats on the Council. How are the mighty fallen! The Anthony Wells research into the reliability of local government by election results as guides to later general election voting, shared recently by JamesE, showed how they grossly overestimate the Lib Dem share and significantly underestimate Labour's. However, and deeply worryingly for the Tories, they have tended to prove a pretty reliable guide to subsequent Tory performance. Mercy Man will not be a happy bunny. Why not? I've said on many occasions that I think the Tories' time is up, and also that I don't think I've voted for them in a national election for at least 20 years. However that doesn't mean that I am sanguine about the prospect of a massive Labour majority given that their main policy seems to be "We are not the Tories".
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Post by mercian on Jan 19, 2024 15:00:08 GMT
I genuinely think, given the information we have, its about 90% certain Labour will win with an OM, 9% chance of Labour being the largest party in a hung parliament, and 1% chance of the Tories being the largest party.
A very good piece of work, Hammer Woman. I think I hear the sound of distant single gun shots in a number of walled mansions in the Home Counties. And then the eerie sound of silence. I hope Colin makes a swift and reassuring reappearance and that Mercian arrives to rendezvous with me tonight at the Burlesque Bargepole in Droitwich. As he knows, it's Friday Special tonight. If he misses that, I will become concerned about his wellbeing. Yes, great work lululemonmustdobetter. However I must disappoint the man that the ladies of that establishment call "The Field Marshal" because of his fancy official uniform. I have a "chess match" elsewhere.
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Post by jayblanc on Jan 19, 2024 15:03:29 GMT
Dropping back in here, in hopes that the cause of my departure will not resume.
Followed up with a more in-line figure from Techne, the YouGov poll with Con at 20% looks like an outlier for now. But there's a big caveat to that assumption. In that this is within the error bars of the over-all downward trend of the Conservatives. The sunny days of polls that came in above 30 are in the past, and polls now look much more like they were during the short-lived Truss government. This looks a lot like the stock-price of company in managed decline after a bubble collapsed. Sometimes those companies recover to their prior valuations, but most of the time they seek towards a lower 'true' valuation that reflects the realities.
I think this indicates exactly how much of a gamble Sunak is taking by holding elections off till the latest practical date. The hopes in the party are that polling will recover during the year to give the Conservatives the chance of a majority. I think that can be written off, and the best they could expect is a hung parliament. But the worst case is a Canadian "Progressive Conservative" style collapse. The difference between getting 25% and 20% of the vote is the difference between staying a major party, and being relegated to a third place minor party. The current direction of travel is towards their worst case.
I don't understand what the plans are to turn things around. Sunak is currently using up all his time and political capital on things intended to keep the Parliamentary party together, that are in themselves no benefit to his chances at an election. I do not buy the idea that "A better summer will make people forget a harsh winter", because people's memories of a harsh winter last longer than the memories of a good summer. And it's less than clear how the Conservatives are even going to manage a good summer. No one is really talking about fully reversing the decline in standards of living, merely stabilising the condition.
A rational party would now be considering accepting that it has lost the next election, and preparing for the best opportunities in opposition. Which would mean calling elections as soon as possible, rather than take the gamble that "things might have improved by November". However, that would require the current Conservative party to act rationally and in it's own best interests. It does not appear capable of doing so at the moment.
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Post by leftieliberal on Jan 19, 2024 15:28:54 GMT
Dropping back in here, in hopes that the cause of my departure will not resume. Followed up with a more in-line figure from Techne, the YouGov poll with Con at 20% looks like an outlier for now. But there's a big caveat to that assumption. In that this is within the error bars of the over-all downward trend of the Conservatives. The sunny days of polls that came in above 30 are in the past, and polls now look much more like they were during the short-lived Truss government. This looks a lot like the stock-price of company in managed decline after a bubble collapsed. Sometimes those companies recover to their prior valuations, but most of the time they seek towards a lower 'true' valuation that reflects the realities. I think this indicates exactly how much of a gamble Sunak is taking by holding elections off till the latest practical date. The hopes in the party are that polling will recover during the year to give the Conservatives the chance of a majority. I think that can be written off, and the best they could expect is a hung parliament. But the worst case is a Canadian "Progressive Conservative" style collapse. The difference between getting 25% and 20% of the vote is the difference between staying a major party, and being relegated to a third place minor party. The current direction of travel is towards their worst case. I don't understand what the plans are to turn things around. Sunak is currently using up all his time and political capital on things intended to keep the Parliamentary party together, that are in themselves no benefit to his chances at an election. I do not buy the idea that "A better summer will make people forget a harsh winter", because people's memories of a harsh winter last longer than the memories of a good summer. And it's less than clear how the Conservatives are even going to manage a good summer. No one is really talking about fully reversing the decline in standards of living, merely stabilising the condition. A rational party would now be considering accepting that it has lost the next election, and preparing for the best opportunities in opposition. Which would mean calling elections as soon as possible, rather than take the gamble that "things might have improved by next November". However, that would require the current Conservative party to act rationally and in it's own best interests. It does not appear capable of doing so at the moment.It is one argument for a May 2nd General Election, the other being that the Tories only need to get their activists out once and the increased turnout will save some Tory councillors bacon. We have never had a General Election at the same time as a London Mayoral election before, and while I think that Khan will still win because of the Tories' stupidity in choosing Susan Hall, the Trump mini-me from Harrow, a much higher turnout makes the outcome more difficult to predict. Note that Khan has already bribed the electorate with the promise of a tube and bus fares freeze; along with the extra money for the RMT, that means he will have to bump up the Mayoral precept again this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 15:31:42 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... You may jest but navigating school drop offs/pick ups and state school issues more widely is something that tens of millions of 'real voters' do on a daily basis. Ah -"real voters". No good talking about them to someone who deals in Teams and Scores ( aka Opinion Polls) . But you are right and I hadn't thought about it that way. That the elderly residents of our near school bungalow land ,struggling twice a day in term time to park outside the doctors or the shop ; or even walk there without injury only to return yet again to a churned up front lawn -are replicated across the land ! And you have elicited from the world of Teams & Scores that the intolerant owners of these expensive vehicles are probably Labour Voters ! It is a trenchant commentary on the state of the Conservative Party that UKPR is no longer visited by contributors who might relay this GE Campaign Gotcha to its Central Office. Perhaps in my small way I can alert our geriatric villagers to the revelation and persuade them not to abandon the incumbent MP & his 20k + majority. It remains only to confess that I do not look forward to the prospect of the Monstrous SUV Women adding to their usual imprecation " get out of the way peasant" , the dread words " I am a member of the Labour Party"
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 19, 2024 15:40:46 GMT
You may jest but navigating school drop offs/pick ups and state school issues more widely is something that tens of millions of 'real voters' do on a daily basis. Ah -"real voters". No good talking about them to someone who deals in Teams and Scores ( aka Opinion Polls) . But you are right and I hadn't thought about it that way. That the elderly residents of our near school bungalow land ,struggling twice a day in term time to park outside the doctors or the shop ; or even walk there without injury only to return yet again to a churned up front lawn -are replicated across the land ! And you have elicited from the world of Teams & Scores that the intolerant owners of these expensive vehicles are probably Labour Voters ! It is a trenchant commentary on the state of the Conservative Party that UKPR is no longer visited by contributors who might relay this GE Campaign Gotcha to its Central Office. Perhaps in my small way I can alert our geriatric villagers to the revelation and persuade them not to abandon the incumbent MP & his 20k + majority. It remains only to confess that I do not look forward to the prospect of the Monstrous SUV Women adding to their usual imprecation " get out of the way peasant" , the dread words " I am a member of the Labour Party" A word salad of impenetrable and largely witless nonsense from our Partisan in Chief. Col, you must do better.
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Post by mercian on Jan 19, 2024 15:47:08 GMT
It remains only to confess that I do not look forward to the prospect of the Monstrous SUV Women adding to their usual imprecation " get out of the way peasant" , the dread words " I am a member of the Labour Party" It probably says something about me that as I read the bit I've highlighted, it was in a cod-German accent
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 15:53:45 GMT
A word salad of impenetrable and largely witless nonsense from our Partisan in Chief. Col, you must do better. I dont think I can actually. Pleased with "largely" I must say-count that as a tick. No no-you really must stop this false modesty -it is so unbecoming. You forget that I was a fan once-been listening to some of your old songs actually :- www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLyCRDRh7ww
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 19, 2024 15:55:07 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... Well as you well know, us middle class Yummy Mummy types are a curse on this country. Needlessly terrorising the god fearing older folk, who fought so hard to make our lives better through the sacrifices they made to give us Brexit, we are just downright evil - especially those of us who choose to vote Labour. We make Cruella de Vil look like mother Teresa.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2024 16:16:49 GMT
Oversized vehicles are an unnecessary* irritant on the majority of other road users, pedestrians, Rosie, Daisie, other dogs with no names etc. etc. * Judgmental - but definitely true…. Even if it’s my mate colin being irritated by the fuckers.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 19, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
As ever, UKPR alights on "where it's at" in terms of salient political issues that effect the lives of millions, both here and across the world. I was waiting for ill mannered Yummy Mummy car parkers in their armoured 4x4 monstrosities to finally arrive here for discussion, and thankfully it duly has. What took us so long to identify this increasingly Labour leaning voting demographic to come into our tabloidesque sights, I wonder? Schools and not Golf Club car parks too, I see. Titter, titter, ho hum, tee hee..... Well as you well know, us middle class Yummy Mummy types are a curse on this country. Needlessly terrorising the god fearing older folk, who fought so hard to make our lives better through the sacrifices they made to give us Brexit, we are just downright evil - especially those of us who choose to vote Labour. We make Cruella de Vil look like mother Teresa.They're coming to get you, Lulu. The living dead of the Home Counties. The Revenge of the Undead. Until jib gets his way anyway.
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Post by graham on Jan 19, 2024 16:18:06 GMT
Labour has already shown itself to be spineless by declaring openly that it will not seek to block the Ruanda Bill in the Lords. The Pariament Act has had to be used on several occasions in recent years when the Lords defied the Commons -
- the War Crimes Act 1991 - the European Parliamentary Elections Act 1999 - the Sexual Offences ( Amendment) Act 2000 - the Hunting Act 2004.
Why cannot this Rwanda Bill be treated in the same way?
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