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Post by domjg on Dec 24, 2023 16:25:43 GMT
I'm one of the evil boomers. I find the anti-boomer stuff by mark61, shevii n even domjg to be teleological tosh: a-historical & riven by illogical leaps in the dark which force quite different social ideas & trends into a linear, connected process when in fact they have quite different causes. I hv to pop out to spend some of the wealth I hv looted from Generations X Y, & Z, & then visit the blasted Heath to tame the storm with the powers that only boomers possess. but when I return I may hv more to say. "But when I return I may have more to say." - Well don't take too long about it, I for one cannot wait. In seriousness we are dealing with gross generalisations but my own cohort, Gen X isn't really that much better. When I look back to say 90s student days our lot were extremely unpolitical and dare I say hedonistic. Uni for many in those days was more about fun than anything else convinced as we were that everything would be fine. The world seemed far more stable and predictable. Visit a university campus on a Friday night these days or even a decade ago and undergrads are all in the library not the bar.
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Post by steve on Dec 24, 2023 16:39:41 GMT
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Post by peterbell on Dec 24, 2023 16:50:00 GMT
Wishing everyone a very happy Christmas. Hope you and your families have a great time.
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 24, 2023 17:47:30 GMT
After the 'winterval' affair, I will note that in the highly-religious USA it is now the custom to wish people "Happy Holidays" to avoid offence. Just don't anyone tell them 'holiday' is derived from Holy Day!
Have a good one everybody.
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Post by neilj on Dec 24, 2023 18:06:15 GMT
Happy Christmas everyone x
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2023 19:50:33 GMT
After the 'winterval' affair, I will note that in the highly-religious USA it is now the custom to wish people "Happy Holidays" to avoid offence. Just don't anyone tell them 'holiday' is derived from Holy Day! Have a good one everybody. I thought it was de rigueur to send christmas cards of the family posing with military grade assault rifles these days.
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Post by Danny on Dec 24, 2023 20:18:44 GMT
Here's an idea I've just had. We all know that attempting to hammer the very rich with some sort of wealth tax will backfire because they'll just shift their money and/or themselves overseas. We do not know that at all. What we do know is the rich love to put around that story. Whats the pont of being rich if you cannot then live where you wanted to anyway?
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Post by mercian on Dec 24, 2023 21:19:11 GMT
I'm one of the evil boomers. I find the anti-boomer stuff by mark61 , shevii n even domjg to be teleological tosh: a-historical & riven by illogical leaps in the dark which force quite different social ideas & trends into a linear, connected process when in fact they have quite different causes. I hv to pop out to spend some of the wealth I hv looted from Generations X Y, & Z, & then visit the blasted Heath to tame the storm with the powers that only boomers possess. but when I return I may hv more to say. "But when I return I may have more to say." - Well don't take too long about it, I for one cannot wait. In seriousness we are dealing with gross generalisations but my own cohort, Gen X isn't really that much better. When I look back to say 90s student days our lot were extremely unpolitical and dare I say hedonistic. Uni for many in those days was more about fun than anything else convinced as we were that everything would be fine. The world seemed far more stable and predictable. Visit a university campus on a Friday night these days or even a decade ago and undergrads are all in the library not the bar. Do you consider that a generation of swots will be desirable or undesirable?
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Post by alec on Dec 24, 2023 22:52:56 GMT
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Post by isa on Dec 24, 2023 23:17:02 GMT
Same to you, alec. And a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all UKPR2 members and lurkers from delightful Italy, in sight of the Alps. I'm very spoilt!
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Post by Dave on Dec 25, 2023 13:26:22 GMT
Happy Christmas to you and yours everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 0:02:13 GMT
Thank goodness thatās overā¦.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 26, 2023 8:29:03 GMT
Made it through to the other side.
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Post by steve on Dec 26, 2023 8:48:28 GMT
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Post by thylacine on Dec 26, 2023 8:50:43 GMT
Not to rain on any Grinches parades but there are 12 days you know ! š¤£
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 26, 2023 9:10:49 GMT
Thank goodness thatās overā¦.Ā Let the sport begin! Football, Test cricket at the MCG and horse racing for me. Highlight of the day the quintessential Worcestershire derby at the Valley Stadium this afternoon. Reds v Church. I'll be there. Reds beginning to mount a rare promotion challenge from the Southern Premier Central League. The National League North beckons for the fallen Worcestershire giants. The day rounded off, of course, by a certain game at Old Trafford in the evening. (Who will have the treasured bragging rights, I wonder? Me or Chris Lane 1945?)
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 26, 2023 9:59:14 GMT
Not to rain on any Grinches parades but there are 12 days you know ! š¤£ And it ends with SDA turning 76. Epiphany, Epiphany thou art a crap birthday.
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Post by bardin1 on Dec 26, 2023 10:34:39 GMT
Let the sport begin! Football, Test cricket at the MCG and horse racing for me. Highlight of the day the quintessential Worcestershire derby at the Valley Stadium this afternoon. Reds v Church. I'll be there. Reds beginning to mount a rare promotion challenge from the Southern Premier Central League. The National League North beckons for the fallen Worcestershire giants. The day rounded off, of course, by a certain game at Old Trafford in the evening. (Who will have the treasured bragging rights, I wonder? Me or Chris Lane 1945?) For me (and Mercian I suspect) the day will include the World Rapid Chess Championships from 5pm with Magnus Carlsen in full pomp. Since he abdicated his throne last year (as he was fed up beating the same old contenders) he has started playing ridiculous and /or obscrure openings and is still trashing all the other leading players. Followed tomorrow by hopefully Hearts seasonal drubbing of Hibs in the world's oldest football derby.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 13:12:19 GMT
Labour preparing for a May election.
Please let it happen!
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Post by barbara on Dec 26, 2023 15:09:32 GMT
Not to rain on any Grinches parades but there are 12 days you know ! š¤£ And it ends with SDA turning 76. Epiphany, Epiphany thou art a crap birthday. Happy Birthday SDA
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Post by alec on Dec 26, 2023 17:02:26 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 26, 2023 17:19:05 GMT
For me (and Mercian I suspect) the day will include the World Rapid Chess Championships from 5pm with Magnus Carlsen in full pomp. Since he abdicated his throne last year (as he was fed up beating the same old contenders) he has started playing ridiculous and /or obscrure openings and is still trashing all the other leading players. And yet there is any number of machines that could hand him his arse on a plate. If he's bored perhaps he should try taking on learning AI.
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Post by bardin1 on Dec 26, 2023 17:38:40 GMT
And yet there is any number of machines that could hand him his arse on a plate. If he's bored perhaps he should try taking on learning AI. The superGMs use the chess engines (computers in oldspeak) to train on. For fun Magnus used to to do the telegraph fantasy league and was winning it at Christmastime a few years ago. He also wins a lot of money at poker. His head is noticably larger than average On the plus side, come the apocalypse his large head size will be a disadvantage and us regular neanderthals can chase and catch him and club him to death with papier mache weapons made out of redundant copies of the Daily Mmail or with old gammon legs.
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Post by steve on Dec 26, 2023 18:34:01 GMT
As a little light relief from Christmas the brexitanian gutter press getting their knickers in a twist because the European union has excluded brexitania from a European union transport plan, those horrible foreigners it's as if They were in some sort of free movement area we aren't part of. They get dumber by the day. youtu.be/O0zovIMd04o?si=ASGRBFoOc1m6bTTc
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 26, 2023 20:35:08 GMT
And yet there is any number of machines that could hand him his arse on a plate. If he's bored perhaps he should try taking on learning AI. The superGMs use the chess engines (computers in oldspeak) to train on. For fun Magnus used to to do the telegraph fantasy league and was winning it at Christmastime a few years ago. He also wins a lot of money at poker. His head is noticably larger than average On the plus side, come the apocalypse his large head size will be a disadvantage and us regular neanderthals can chase and catch him and club him to death with papier mache weapons made out of redundant copies of the Daily Mmail or with old gammon legs. There hasn't been a proper human v machine contest since 2006, where "Deep Fritz" beat the reigning world champion by 2 wins and 4 draws to nothing. "There was speculation that interest in humanācomputer chess competition would plummet as a result of the 2006 KramnikāDeep Fritz match. According to McGill University computer science professor Monty Newborn, for example, "I donāt know what one could get out of it at this point. The science is done.""
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_chess_matches#:~:text=The%20Man%20vs%20Machine%20World,Computers%20World%20Team%20Matches.
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Post by bardin1 on Dec 26, 2023 20:50:43 GMT
The reason it doesn't happen any more is that the superGMs -even Carlsen- would have little chance of even getting a draw and zero chance of a win in any game. I actually took part in some of the early experiments in cybrer chess in the 1970s with Professor David N levy at Edinburgh University, who played the first significant Human vs computer match (and won) - a major event in cybernetic history.. I was one of about 10 students who got paid 50p an hour to make moves which Levy compared with the computer moves. The computer's moves came out on a binary print out
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Post by steve on Dec 26, 2023 21:17:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 22:04:33 GMT
There's an interesting piece in the Graun tonight about the dilemma facing SCOTUS following the ruling of the Supreme Court of Colerado
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Post by mercian on Dec 26, 2023 22:33:36 GMT
The reason it doesn't happen any more is that the superGMs -even Carlsen- would have little chance of even getting a draw and zero chance of a win in any game. I actually took part in some of the early experiments in cybrer chess in the 1970s with Professor David N levy at Edinburgh University, who played the first significant Human vs computer match (and won) - a major event in cybernetic history.. I was one of about 10 students who got paid 50p an hour to make moves which Levy compared with the computer moves. The computer's moves came out on a binary print out I helped a researcher at Aston University with his chess program in the early 1970s. I even wrote a primitive one myself and have sometimes contemplated doing a new one. Even back then I used an unusual method which looked ahead one move (to make sure mate wasn't there for either side) but then just analysed the position on principles such as control of squares, and how one move from each side could change that. I think it would be interesting to develop a program like that to see how it fared. Obviously it would lose to the programs which have been developed for decades, but because of the very limited look-ahead (and hence speed) it might get the odd surprise in bullet chess. As for pjw1961 's point, we still have running races despite cars being much faster. An automated car would obviously beat any human over any distance. So what? The point of any competitive sporting activity is just that - competition against another person or team. The aim is either to produce a great performance or to see your opponent's ego crumble depending on your personality. A computer's ego won't crumble therefore there's no point playing them. --------------------------- On a football note the plucky underdogs of Manchester United managed to scrape a victory tonight against a team who were 11 points above them before the game.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 27, 2023 7:24:32 GMT
Well, as for the Boxing day football, at least the Reds won.
I'm partial to most contests, football or otherwise, where the Reds win. In football there are of course, as always, particular exceptions.
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