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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 6:34:40 GMT
This septic isle "Christmas stink’: UK’s traditional festive swims face rising tide of sewage Lib Dem analysis finds 4,574 hours of sewage has been spilled in festive swimming spots in the last year Long-established Christmas seaside swimming locations have been flooded with sewage over the last year, prompting concern that swimmers could fall ill. They would not be able to claim compensation, as Tory MPs earlier this month blocked a Lib Dem amendment that would have allowed anyone who got sick as a result of illegal sewage dumping to claim from water companies. During the festive season, swimmers traditionally wear cheery fancy dress as they plunge into the sea at beaches from Eastbourne, Sussex, to St Ives, Cornwall. Statistics analysed by the Lib Dems have found that this year, festive swimmers will be using beachfronts where 4,574 hours of sewage has been spilled. Between the 32 event locations analysed by the party, almost 1,000 sewage spills were found to have occurred this year." That Brexit bonus of non compliance with European union emission standards is going to plan.
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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 6:35:39 GMT
Nice to see a new poster welcome ciderman
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Post by neilj on Dec 23, 2023 7:00:32 GMT
Still think the reason Trump will lose the election will be the same reason he lost the last one Trump has a strong and loyal vocal following, but there are even more who really don't like him and will turn up to vote against him. So much so that even Biden, who let's face it wasn't a good candidate, won the popular vote by 7 million last time
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Post by pete on Dec 23, 2023 7:44:33 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Dec 23, 2023 8:03:19 GMT
This Christmas there's an awful lot of cider, man.
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Post by jen on Dec 23, 2023 8:07:28 GMT
Despising your fellow citizens seems common amongst lefties. hahahaha! So speaks the site bigot. Yes, I understand that in your view, any socialist, meaning anybody who supports the idea of the NHS or old age pensions (both very obviously socialist constructs) are lefties. I suppose that, in your view, that makes me a leftie, because although I do not support Labour, I support the idea of the NHS and pensions (although I find it unfair that I have to subsidise bigoted shit... to think my dad fought against people like you in WW2, and that we had thought we had put you all to bed at Cable Street in 1936, never mind, maybe one day we will sue you or your children for the damages you have caused with your lies...). TL;DR why don't you just fuck off to Russia?
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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 8:38:51 GMT
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Post by domjg on Dec 23, 2023 8:39:28 GMT
It's just the name of the event or did you not notice 'Ireland's Christmas festival' immediately underneath it? Of course you did didn't you? By the way I understand Waterford this year (incidentally the city my mother in law hails from) is European city of Christmas so I don't think they've much to gain from dissing Christmas as a concept.. 'At Winterval' refers to (as you are no doubt disingenuously aware) the festival event, not a time of year as in 'at Christmas time' Either you're a bit dim or your post is attempting to deliberately mislead. See my reply to others, but why do they have to invent a new name? Why not just say, as you did, 'at Christmas time'? The name of the website and the name at the top is Winterval, thus subordinating Christmas. I reiterate,in this context it's clearly the name of a specific commercial event, not a wider public holiday. It's unfortunate they chose that particular name for it, being in Ireland maybe they were somehow unaware of the controversy the name has caused here. It's as if it's been stumbled upon by some not quite on it marketing people.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 8:42:33 GMT
Good to see ciderman returning. His user name always invokes memories of watching Worcs v Glos cricket games in the days of old when the sun always seemed to shine and a mellow haze used to descend on me, and most of my fellow spectators, by the mid afternoon. Mike Proctor bowling to Glen Turner a particular delight too
Drink up your cider, and you shall merry be. A West Country staple as are Worcs v Glos games at either Worcester or Cheltenham. I shall miss it next summer but, hey ho, such is the way of things when you follow promoted teams.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 8:49:13 GMT
Sticking to a sporting theme, my expected Christmas present of Villa sitting atop the Premier League this morning was dashed by a plucky and resilient Sheffield United team last night
Praise be to Mr Zaniolo though for his 97th minute equaliser that saved me from a total rinsing from a Blades supporting mate now domiciled in the Philippines.
I'm just receiving a semi-rinsing via WhatsApp this morning instead.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 9:07:19 GMT
I see that Winterval now joins Chico Hamilton goals in League Cup Finals at Wembley in the jumbled locker room that is Mercian's vague memory archive.
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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 9:39:12 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 9:45:29 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 23, 2023 9:59:53 GMT
Still think the reason Trump will lose the election will be the same reason he lost the last one Trump has a strong and loyal vocal following, but there are even more who really don't like him and will turn up to vote against him. So much so that even Biden, who let's face it wasn't a good candidate, won the popular vote by 7 million last timeAlthough it can't be stressed often enough that winning the popular vote doesn't matter a jot. In Trump v Biden II given the hyper-polarised nature of US politics the electoral college is likely to be very tight either way and it will come down to a few swing states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. I wish Biden would stand down but since I don't think he will he needs to sack Harris as his running mate and appoint the most popular, least divisive Democrat he can find as his Veep, to remove the fear of him dying or becoming incapacitated in office.
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 23, 2023 10:06:25 GMT
I see that Winterval now joins Chico Hamilton goals in League Cup Finals at Wembley in the jumbled locker room that is Mercian's vague memory archive. I've noticed that the right-wing types round my way always get particularly riled when it is explained, with evidence, that some cherished lie from the Mail or Telegraph is complete bollocks. The usual reaction is that somehow facts are irrelevant and the lie holds a higher truth (only this is expressed in more a shouty way).
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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 10:09:36 GMT
The concrete farmers show on Turd tv features a seasonal village idiot who apparently thinks that Keir Starmer will drag plucky brexitanians back into the European union just when all those wonderful Brexit benefits are about to arrive. Apparently this is a bad thing! youtu.be/QC4G3BHZYoE?si=lWr-Nsxsr78rfd_e
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Post by steve on Dec 23, 2023 10:15:15 GMT
pjw1961. The usual reaction is that somehow facts are irrelevant and the lie holds a higher truth (only this is expressed in more a shouty way). The traitors election and Brexit marked a sea change when objective facts had less credibility than nationalist delusion, those who questioned the delusions were deemed "fake news" It's a bonkers world these snakeoil sheisters unleashed aided and abetted by their client media and the terminally gullible
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Post by domjg on Dec 23, 2023 10:30:06 GMT
I see that Winterval now joins Chico Hamilton goals in League Cup Finals at Wembley in the jumbled locker room that is Mercian's vague memory archive. I've noticed that the right-wing types round my way always get particularly riled when it is explained, with evidence, that some cherished lie from the Mail or Telegraph is complete bollocks. The usual reaction is that somehow facts are irrelevant and the lie holds a higher truth (only this is expressed in more a shouty way). One thing I've experienced from such types when they can't rebut something is a simple, loud aggressive 'NO!' accompanied by an 'I'm not listening anymore' shake of the head. I'm clearly not alone in experiencing this as just this reaction was hilariously described by comedian Suzy Ruffell in one of her routines.
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Post by pete on Dec 23, 2023 10:37:00 GMT
Hmm. 1 in 50 people in London are homeless, 1 in 20 in some boroughs. Which doesnt necessarily mean they are on the streets, a lot are in 'temporary accommodation'. Reasons include shortage of private sectors rental properties. Housing benefits having been frozen, so that they would only cover rent for 1 in 20 properties. Spells in temporary accommodation can last for years. Typically such a thing is actually a private sector flat, but the council is paying the difference in rent between what is charged and what is covered by benefit. Which rather defeats the purpose of forcing down housing benefit. not to mention is making shortages of property worse. People in such accommodations can be asked to move at any time without notice, to anywhwere. Apparently also London councils are competing with the home office for accommodation. And the Home office has a larger budget, so its outbidding councils for whatever accommodation might exist in their area. Housing benefit levels were originally defined to cover 50% of rents in an area. Then this went to 30%. But now its frozen its more like 5%. Councils are now seeing their 'risk' assessments of what might bankrupt thwm changing, so whereas it used to be social and care services, now it is a bill for housing over which they have no control. Some of this gets refunded by government, but apparently the more 'temporary', ie bed and breakfast, then the less the council gets refunded. So the worse the shortage of real accommodations gets, so their bill escalates. Obviously the conservative government doesnt care if poor people can any longer afford to find accommodation for themselves. Is this rather akin to the Israeli reaction to Arabs in Gaza? Is the plan for how to turn London more conservative simply to get rid of the poor? People may remember Dame Shirley porter was fined £36 million for deliberately manipulating housing stocks to encourage more conservative voters into her council area. This is of course a central government policy. So should Rishi get the blame and have to pay up? Where are you getting your figures from?
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Post by alec on Dec 23, 2023 10:39:58 GMT
On facts and 'higher truths'; Fascinating, but keeping abreast of the science, as I do, I have precisely the same experiences when discussing Covid with other people. There is a great degree of denialism and at times, quite a level of anger when inconvenient facts interrupt the comforting myths.
Isn't that odd?
I think the truth is that everyone chooses the issues on which they wish to remain open minded and guided by expert factual analysis, and likewise everyone is prone to adopting a different, emotionally based response to certain other topics. I don't see any evidence that people are 100% one way or the other on everything. I apply this to myself. There are issues where I think I would really struggle to retain an openindedness, because I have a set of beliefs that I suspect would be pretty impervious to evidence. For example, I fervently believe that one day - one day - Scotland will lift the FIFA World Cup (by 'lift', I mean win it, not nick it). No amount of logical analysis will sway me from this firm belief.
{And no, before anyone raises it, Covid isn't one of those issue. Unlike on international football, I'll go wherever the evidence takes me, which I sincerely hoped would be a much more benign outlook than the one we currently have}.
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Post by jib on Dec 23, 2023 10:57:08 GMT
I've noticed that the right-wing types round my way always get particularly riled when it is explained, with evidence, that some cherished lie from the Mail or Telegraph is complete bollocks. The usual reaction is that somehow facts are irrelevant and the lie holds a higher truth (only this is expressed in more a shouty way). One thing I've experienced from such types when they can't rebut something is a simple, loud aggressive 'NO!' accompanied by an 'I'm not listening anymore' shake of the head. I'm clearly not alone in experiencing this as just this reaction was hilariously described by comedian Suzy Ruffell in one of her routines.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 11:04:46 GMT
Interesting post from jib there. Maybe we should dedicate a Christmas song to him. The Diana Ross ditty will do
"I'm coming out I want the world to know Go let it show. There's a new me coming out And I just have to live."
The Jibster getting in touch with his inner Rod Liddle.
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Post by domjg on Dec 23, 2023 11:12:36 GMT
One thing I've experienced from such types when they can't rebut something is a simple, loud aggressive 'NO!' accompanied by an 'I'm not listening anymore' shake of the head. I'm clearly not alone in experiencing this as just this reaction was hilariously described by comedian Suzy Ruffell in one of her routines. You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon
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Post by jib on Dec 23, 2023 11:15:15 GMT
You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon Cheap, low, shot from your there sonny. Careful, you'll encourage Mr Fuckety Fuck and that doyen of tolerance jen with posts like that.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 11:23:03 GMT
You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon The issue here isn't people being Tories. There's nothing wrong with holding conservative views and voting Tory if you think that party embodies those views, and you could argue that this forum lacks posters arguing from that perspective, but what mystifies me is why someone would masquerade behind a political persona that is, in essence, a false one. What's the point? Mercian is a good example of someone who is unequivocal and appears to present his views without recourse to ambivalence and disingenuous bullshit. They may well be views that find little favour amongst this very small representation of the population, but they appear to be ones he genuinely holds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 11:25:09 GMT
Ah the Season of Ill Will has come round again . How time flies .
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Post by pjw1961 on Dec 23, 2023 11:27:12 GMT
You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon The issue here isn't people being Tories. There's nothing wrong with holding conservative views and voting Tory if you think that party embodies those views, and you could argue that this forum lacks posters arguing from that perspective, but what mystifies me is why someone would masquerade behind a political persona that is, in essence, a false one. What's the point? Mercian is a good example of someone who is unequivocal and appears to present his views without recourse to ambivalence and disingenuous bullshit. They may well be views that find little favour amongst this very small representation of the population, but they appear to be ones he genuinely holds.And which are also held by a sizable chunk of the electorate. I know many, many Mercians (and also a few Colins. Trevor is a one-off I think).
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Post by domjg on Dec 23, 2023 11:29:45 GMT
You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon The issue here isn't people being Tories. There's nothing wrong with holding conservative views and voting Tory if you think that party embodies those views, and you could argue that this forum lacks posters arguing from that perspective, but what mystifies me is why someone would masquerade behind a political persona that is, in essence, a false one. What's the point? Mercian is a good example of someone who is unequivocal and appears to present his views without recourse to ambivalence and disingenuous bullshit. They may well be views that find little favour amongst this very small representation of the population, but they appear to be ones he genuinely holds. I'm just trying to wind him up and accusing him of being a tory guarantees that! Having memes like that to hand however does tend to indicate that someone moves in a certain right wing online milieu.
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Post by crossbat11 on Dec 23, 2023 11:29:49 GMT
Ah the Season of Ill Will has come round again . How time flies . Ah, thank goodness. He's back. Just the man to bring glad tidings, good will, charm and humour back to all our lives. Welcome back Col! 😁👍🧑🎄🍻
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2023 11:34:40 GMT
You reveal your true self. Tory party perfect home for you I reckon The issue here isn't people being Tories. There's nothing wrong with holding conservative views and voting Tory if you think that party embodies those views, and you could argue that this forum lacks posters arguing from that perspective, but what mystifies me is why someone would masquerade behind a political persona that is, in essence, a false one. What's the point? Mercian is a good example of someone who is unequivocal and appears to present his views without recourse to ambivalence and disingenuous bullshit. They may well be views that find little favour amongst this very small representation of the population, but they appear to be ones he genuinely holds. I do think that both of the posters you reference are getting worse but, as you imply, at least one can recognise mercian’s consistency and honesty - irrational though it all is. Tye other one I just find a bit weird.
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