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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 21, 2023 19:06:49 GMT
Re the gender gap in British politics. A bit of checking suggests to me that the present pattern of women being more supportive of Labour has been around for close to 20 years. But is appears to have gone largely unnoticed. The last time that Labour did better with men than women was at GE2001, when it was 42/32 with men and 42/33 with women - per Ipsos Mori analysis, first link below. In 2005, Ipsos recorded a 34/34 tie with men and a Labour lead of 38/32 with women. So a 6-point gap then, and this appears to have been 'the norm' ever since. In 2010, the Tories led by 38/28 with men and 36/31 with women - a 5 point gap. 2015 was a slightly odd one, as the figures are distorted by UKIP faring much better with men than women (by 15% to 12%). As a result, both Con and Lab did better with women than men. Men voted by 37/29 for the Tories and women 38/33, so a 3-point difference - or 6 points on a 'Lab v Con+UKIP' comparison. Labour has fared 6 points better than the Conservatives with women than men per youGov's analysis of both GE2017 and GE2019. So the recent YouGov polling showing a 7-point gap should not be any great surprise. www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2001www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2005www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2010(further links - YG analysis of GEs 2015-2019 - in my post on this subject yesterday) Gender x-breaks in the most recent YG: male / female CON: 25 / 26 LAB: 42 / 47 Diff in lead: 17 / 21 (net 4pt gap) Smaller x-breaks but unsurprisingly RUK: 9 /4 Green: 7 / 9 Perhaps surprisingly (or not?) LDEM: 11 / 9 Age* x-breaks have a much higher correlation to VI and that wasn't always the case, or at least not as extreme as it became >= GE'17 docs.cdn.yougov.com/kby5f0bevb/TheTimes_VI_Results_230818_W.pdf* Highest level of education achievement is correlated to age (ie a lot more young people have gone to Uni than older people). YG's analysis of GE'19: yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election |
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Post by fridmies on Aug 21, 2023 19:26:27 GMT
Moreover, the advent of blockchain technology has introduced a new layer of transparency and trust to the warehousing and supply chain landscape. mobile app development services embedded within blockchain networks enable automated verification of transactions and ensure compliance across the supply chain. This not only reduces the risk of fraud and errors but also establishes an immutable record of every step an item takes, from manufacturer to consumer. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Aug 21, 2023 19:43:43 GMT
The YG analysis of GE'19 points out the issue of 'voter retention' and that is now a serious problem for CON (latest YG shows only 43% of CON'19 would still vote, or 64% after removing DKs). Also in a reverse of GE'19 then 9% of CON'19 have moved to LAB (with only 1% t'other way). The analysis doesn't cover the 'seat specific' implications but it didn't take a genius to work out which voters were important in the marginal seats into GE'19 or which voters will be most important in GE'24. Whilst ensuring high retention is important then no need to hand out 'gold stars' to LAB HQ for realising they need to reverse: "Only half (52%) of those who voted leave in 2016 and Labour in 2017, stuck with the Labour party in 2019. A third (33%) moved directly to the Conservatives, while 6% voted for the Brexit party"IIRC it was Starmer who pushed Remain being an option for a 2nd Ref and ensuring that was in LAB's GE'19 manifesto. Certainly a big help when it came to CON gaining the seats that May failed to gain in GE'17 when LAB had accepted Brexit. Ta muchly as they say  Most folks, notably Leave'16 and CON'19 have 'moved on' from Brexit so the GE'19 issue was more about 'lent votes' from Leave'16/LAB'17 and CON now failing to retain those votes in current VI polling. A case of "once bitten, twice shy" or even the "fool me once.." line  WRT to LAB retention then Remain'16/LAB'19 don't really have anyone else to vote for and are mostly 'stacked' in safe LAB seats anyway so if Starmer gets a low GOTV or defections to Greens from those kind of voters in 'safe LAB' seats then it won't cost him many, if any, seats (and no 'gold stars' for working that out as it is stating the obvious). Folks can moan about FPTP if they want to but it is a simple fact of FPTP that the marginal voters in the marginal seats are the most 'valued' voters to win. IF they represent the 'median' voter than 'fair enough' but what it relevant to Leave'16/LAB'17 issue is highlighted in the age (and to a lesser extent gender) x-breaks. IE the marginal voter in marginal seats leans towards an old male voter (and hence the issue of what IMO is the over influence of RUK style policies and the disregard for 'green' or 'young' voter concerns). So, as per several previous posts, then RUK set the agenda which leads to CON being scared to lose VI to RUK so CON move to 'pro motorist'/etc and the 'geniuses' at LAB HQ are fixated on going after Leave'16/LAB'17/CON'19 voters so follow along as well.  |
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Post by domjg on Aug 21, 2023 20:21:15 GMT
The Netherlands and Denmark leading the way on support for Ukraine by agreeing to supply 42 and 19 F-16s respectively. The barriers fall eventually, I just wish they'd fall sooner. I can only hope that somewhere someone has decided there's actually method in this drawn out incrementalism. As colin says, the method is helping Ukraine militarily as much as possible without getting into a war with Russia ourselves. I do worry, however, that on the current course of action, we are risking this already. We do not really know Putin's red lines - or more to the point, Putin has huffed and puffed and bluffed about nuclear weapons at every stage - so are unlikely to know them until / if we have crossed them. We are told that there are limits on some of the more advanced weapons, eg so that Russia does not directly targeted with the weapons we supply, but, what's to stop a Ukrainian general in the field going rogue? Yes, it is true that Putin is using nuclear blackmail (and if nuclear weapons didn't exist, we would be in there kicking Russian arse all the way back to Moscow), but, isn't that a design factor of uclear weapons themselves? Any nuclear power can do so. For this not to happen relies on good actors on all sides, permanently. Any nuclear power can do so. These weapons have only existed for 70-odd years, we have nearly had delibarate nuclear war twice (Cuban missile crisis, Able archer). accidental nclear war several times....and now with Putin, essentialy, nuclear blackmail. In terms of Ukraine, the vast bulk of wars have ended eithor when one side has such a massive military advantage that the other surrenders or is defeted or by negotiation. The former isn't going to happen in Ukraine any time soon - for eithor side.in Screw Putin’s ‘red lines’. He has no right to them, anymore than Milosevic or Bin Laden did. In banging on about them all we do is aggrandise him and encourage him to make threats he knows many in the West will get knock-kneed about. A direct military confrontation with Russia would make me nervous but I would welcome it because it would be the right thing to do and I know the Russians who are good at talking but not doing would fold like a crumpled piece of paper. It would set a precedent for the future that this sort of international anarchy and state terrorism will not be tolerated from anyone, anywhere including China.They will not use nuclear weapons as they’re not suicidal and are too unprincipled to risk Armageddon. They are in reality cowards who rely on our fear to continue their crimes. Many still seem to have some latent respect or awe for the Russian state as if it were actually the successor to the Soviet Union. It is no such thing. It’s nothing but a criminal organisation writ large and appeasing it’s nihilistic crimes is to appease the worst in humanity. |
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Post by domjg on Aug 21, 2023 20:38:04 GMT
For what it's worth, I think the Trevor account is very likely to be something set up by a form of organised political activism on the Right. It could be linked to the Tory Party or an offshoot. An attempt to destabilise, propagandise and ruin political discussion forums thought to be left-leaning. Most unlikely. Just like most other accounts on here it reads like a single individual (I don't believe the 'collective' story) pushing their particular interests/obsessions in a not very subtle way (there are a few honourable exceptions who mainly post about polling. I'm not one of them  ). It so happens that the propaganda lines currently in use are quite close to those being followed by Tory Central Office, but that hasn't always been the case. In the past I’ve (almost) felt sorry for Trevor because, as you say it does read like one individual, and the sheer amount of time and effort they must have put into their posts over many years for so little return or recognition is mind boggling. The cost to benefit ratio is not good. An obsessive, wannabee bedroom spin doctor perhaps? Maybe even a bitter ex tory MP? |
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Post by pete on Aug 21, 2023 20:50:49 GMT
the fact that some NHS trusts are advising symptomatic staff to return to work without covid tests if 'they feel able to' is a sure sign that the NHS is failing. On the contrary, its a sign the NHS no longer believe special measures against covid are useful. Its just being treated like any other cold virus. Its an acceptance that in a resource starved organisation careful choices need to be made how best to use resources, and telling people to take a holiday for a bit of covid isnt a good use of resources. You miss the point that the people who would be at risk from covid are also at risk from many other viruses circulating. There isnt anything special about covid. Hospitals are absolutely not guaranteed as safe places for the sick. A shocking post. Covid is nothing like a cold...stupid boy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 21:03:04 GMT
As a public service, Redwood and Wilton without the tedious trolling. Labour 42% Conservative 27% Liberal Democrat 13% Reform UK 7% Green 6% Scottish National Party 3% Other 1% The Government’s net competency rating stands at -24% this week. Altogether, 23% find the Government competent, while 47% find the Government incompetent. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak receives a net approval rating of -18%. Yesterday’s poll finds 29% approving of his overall job performance against 47% disapproving. Labour leader Keir Starmer’s net approval rating stands at +12%. 39% approve of Starmer’s job performance, while 27% disapprove. To a simple bear like me, a 6% drop in LAB VI (in a week?) is a pretty big movement, albeit that little, (in fact, no), benefit appears to have gone CON's way. Noteworthy increases in LDEM, RFM and Green VI, apparently. Just 'silly season' stuff in the absence of any substantial political news or some genuine realignment between the various parties? I think I favour the former. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 21:14:49 GMT
Hoping nickp enjoyed the match. 🏀 |
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Post by alec on Aug 21, 2023 21:15:11 GMT
pete - yes, much worse that a common cold. I've just posted a new paper on the covid thread which helps to illustrate this, detailing as it does the elevated risk of death post infection persisting for anything from 6 months to over 2 years , depending on the initial severity of the infection.
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Post by Danny on Aug 21, 2023 21:25:39 GMT
Meanwhile, the understandable angst and outrage at the Letby child killer case continues, seemingly this morning focused on NHS managers keen to protect institutional reputations rather than fix problems. Still no sign of the media outrage at the (literally) tens of thousands of patients killed by poor or absent infection control. When MRSA was filling hundreds of people in hospitals the Daily Mail was all over it and strong action was taken, but with covid, complete silence. Aw, you just spoiled it there. Hospital acquired infections do indeed kill thousands of people. Its just covid is decreasing in importance not increasing, much as this seems to upset you. Although of course covid has NEVER killed the numbers it was claimed it would, which claim was used to justify all the interventions. Ironically, with covid the government goal was to improve their reputation by going overboard on imposed interventions. When it eventually went away, which it was certain to do, then they would claim victory, claiming it was thanks to what they did. Worked about as well as Sunak's promises. Interventions simply did not do what they were supposed to do, and nor did the vaccines. Not sure what you are saying here, obviously there was a massive shortage of PPE in 2020 and it could not be obtained at any price. Whether it did any good is a somewhat separate issue. Indeed, having embarked upon lockdown the government was too embarassed to admit it was essentially useless. The bigger the mistake, the more it has to be covered up. Which probably brings us back to the Countess hospital.
But are you not aware it is absolute standard orders to any NHS staff NEVER to tell outsiders of things going wrong in a hospital. Doing so risks dismissal or even being struck off. That isnt an internal hospital policy but a whole NHS policy. Its down to government decision.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 21, 2023 21:26:27 GMT
As a public service, Redwood and Wilton without the tedious trolling. Labour 42% Conservative 27% Liberal Democrat 13% Reform UK 7% Green 6% Scottish National Party 3% Other 1% The Government’s net competency rating stands at -24% this week. Altogether, 23% find the Government competent, while 47% find the Government incompetent. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak receives a net approval rating of -18%. Yesterday’s poll finds 29% approving of his overall job performance against 47% disapproving. Labour leader Keir Starmer’s net approval rating stands at +12%. 39% approve of Starmer’s job performance, while 27% disapprove. To a simple bear like me, a 6% drop in LAB VI (in a week?) is a pretty big movement, albeit that little, (in fact, no), benefit appears to have gone CON's way. Noteworthy increases in LDEM, RFM and Green VI, apparently. Just 'silly season' stuff in the absence of any substantial political news or some genuine realignment between the various parties? I think I favour the former. Not really, its more that the 48% for Labour was at the top end of the range for all polls including R&W. So the "drop of 6%" isn't real - maybe there is a smaller drop or maybe its just fluctuation around 44/45%, the next poll may tell (or may not!). (Btw now you've quoted my post (rather than Trevor's which had the movements in) I expect he will respond. He invariably seems to when people quote my posts, which otherwise he claims not to see - unless me writing this puts him off. ) |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 21, 2023 21:29:25 GMT
oldnat If you can put aside your secessionist desires for a moment.nation I think you would agree with me that with the existential threat posed by an aggressive nuclear armed dictatorship to our East, the potential of a fascist nuclear armed dictatorship to our West and the danger of climate change everywhere that there's never been a more important time for democratic Europe to stand united. Once the shower of charlatan, self serving, inept chancers have been dispatched from Westminster it's time for the grown ups to take charge. Despite all flag waving and voter triangulation on the hard of thinking inevitability this will mean a return to the European union in some form or other , either as a united nation or as individual diminished entities.
You may prefer that they are fully integrated into the UK - perhaps with some devolved powers? - as your usage of "nation" (as opposed to "state") makes little sense otherwise.
I am interested to discover why you consider that NI's being in the EU via a united Ireland, as opposed to being part of the UK, would "diminish" them. Perhaps you could elucidate?
For Scotland, I have long been of the opinion that being an independent member of the EU would bring considerable enhancement, compared with being represented by UKGov - who primarily represent the interests of the largest of its polities. (Hence, I'm not going to "put aside my secessionist desires", even for a moment). I have not seen any valid argument as to why Scotland is best served by being represented in the EU by UKGov rather than ScotGov. Again, perhaps you could elucidate your arguments on this?
Wales has a population only a little smaller than Croatia, which is a member state. Yet again, can you explain why you think that Wales would be "diminished" by having the same status as Croatia?
England, of course, as an independent EU state, would be smaller in population and resources than the UK. Consequently, it would have less power than the UK that it controls, so it might well be considered as being "diminished" if it had to stand on its own two feet.
There are certainly UKNats and BritNats who see a combined UK/GB state as wielding more authority, compared with France or Germany, because "size matters". The more territory you control, the more you can bend others to your will. The British Empire is long gone, and that thinking should have gone with it but the remnants of that belief still persist - including among Lib-Dems! |
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Post by eor on Aug 21, 2023 21:52:51 GMT
Having the semi-finals on consecutive evenings in the men's World Cup means two lucrative TV windows instead of one. Same as the witless third place playoff got invented just to ensure the losing semi-finalists were on TV a second time, and made an extra TV window the night before the final. I suspect they've just copied the format. I agree that the third place play-off in world cups is pretty pointless, but since it has been played at every men's world cup since 1934 it clearly wasn't invented for television. Ta for that, it goes back further than I realised. I was aware that they switched to a knockout format for the final stage at some point after 1950 (Brazil's traumatising loss to Uruguay actually being the last match of the final group stage, not a Final) but didn't realise they'd also had knockout stages in the 30s. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 21, 2023 22:06:09 GMT
Anent gender differences in polling
James E
Thank for the analysis, just 2 points -
1. Have you considered the common phenomenon in polling that females tend to have a larger proportion of DKs than us males, who often have an arrogant tendency to opine on things, despite irrelevancies such as knowing very little ).
2. Obviously, I look most at Scots polling and the gender differences have always been clear. However, it' not that "more women vote Labour" : it's "fewer women vote Con". While there is a lot of movement between SNP and SLab, the gender difference in polls for SCon is significant - eg
Survation (June) : Con VI - Male 22% : Female 12%
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Post by James E on Aug 21, 2023 22:18:19 GMT
oldnat I'm using post-election analysis as my source for gender differences: YouGov for recent elections, and Ipsos Mori for those up to 2010. I guess that some people might not know how they voted the week before, but none are recorded. In the surveys I've looked at, the Con and Lab figures are generally around their overall vote share, with Lab a little above their share with women and Con a bit above theirs with men. But there is a definite pattern that other parties of the right (now Refuk, previously UKIP) have a very noticably male voter base.
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Post by steve on Aug 21, 2023 22:22:10 GMT
oldnatThe influence the constituent members of the United kingdom would have in the European union as separate entities would be diminished. I assume you would accept that Croatia doesn't have as much influence as Germany in terms of economic and social policy or in the European parliament.Similar circumstances would apply to a separate Scotland which could expect to exert similar influence to perhaps Denmark, Wales would be akin to Cyprus. A independent England has a similar population to Italy and a GDP close to France so presumably would be a significant member state. This isn't a criticism of smaller states membership they play an important role and benefit massively from membership but it's naive to think that they are the driving force behind European union policy. The only exception to this might be northern Ireland ,given their semi detatched status from the rest of the UK already. If following a border poll they united with the Republic of Ireland they wouldn't actually have to join the European union, as they would already be members. This option clearly isn't open to the rest of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 22:25:01 GMT
To a simple bear like me, a 6% drop in LAB VI (in a week?) is a pretty big movement, albeit that little, (in fact, no), benefit appears to have gone CON's way. Noteworthy increases in LDEM, RFM and Green VI, apparently. Just 'silly season' stuff in the absence of any substantial political news or some genuine realignment between the various parties? I think I favour the former. Not really, its more that the 48% for Labour was at the top end of the range for all polls including R&W. So the "drop of 6%" isn't real - maybe there is a smaller drop or maybe its just fluctuation around 44/45%, the next poll may tell (or may not!). (Btw now you've quoted my post (rather than Trevor's which had the movements in) I expect he will respond. He invariably seems to when people quote my posts, which otherwise he claims not to see - unless me writing this puts him off. ) As you say, further polling, perhaps after the end of August, might provide more of a pointer as to what the real state of play between the various parties might be. I replied to your post since, although it did not include the movements, which I always look for, I found the data was 'cleaner' and more accessible, without the need to navigate through others' interpretation of the findings beforehand. I'm a firm believer in 'less is more' when it comes to polling data. 'Keep it simple' and I'll draw my own conclusions and seek clarification where I think it would help my understanding. |
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Post by steve on Aug 21, 2023 22:29:18 GMT
The terms imposed in the bail conditions for the Traitor in Fulton county almost certainly will lead to a breach he won't be able to restrain him self from breaching the terms which include any attack on the Fulton county community which in the judicial context includes but isn't limited to attacks on the officers of the court including the prosecutors and judge in addition to witness interference.
We could see the traitor incarcerated in some form within weeks.
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Post by mercian on Aug 21, 2023 22:31:07 GMT
wb61 As you're around, what's your view on whether the then management of the hospital could be prosecuted? I've no idea whether or not such a prosecution is possible, but if I was the parent of a child concerned, I think I'd probably feel more anger towards the management than towards Letby herself. I suspect she has some mental illness which caused her to behave as she did, and possibly a secure institution is a more appropriate place to keep her than an ordinary prison. Whereas the management solely acted out of a desire to avoid scandal at any cost. Were they really so blind that a cover up was worth risking babies lives? Or so arrogant as to believe they knew better than all the front line doctors? Unfortunately, the "cover it up" and deny all mentality is far too widespread. It's not the first time similar has happened in the NHS, and then there's the BBC...... Spot on. Once you get to a certain level in these kind of organisations it seems the worst that can happen to you is being moved sideways. A few years ago there was a woman in charge of Social Services in Birmingham when there was a series of scandals about poor care resulting in deaths of some children. She got moved to a similar position in a London Borough (Lewisham rings a bell but it's too late to check it all out). Anyway the same thing happened again. I don't know what happened after that. Maybe she eventually retired early or something. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 21, 2023 22:38:04 GMT
Jayne Doherty Self identification. "Jayne Doherty @jayneb64 She/Her. Socialist, republican, anti-racist, atheist, Evertonian. Fuck centrist wreckers, blue tick liberals & MSM. Socialism is the solution ✊🏼" So I wonder which Jeremy Corbyn she's a fan of! Trevor must be sent these by Tory lie central otherwise imagine how much time he must spend trawling the nether regions of social media to dig up such utter cobblers. The voice of irrelevant extremism. Much the same sort of raging at the world that can be found on the Far Right, but thankfully we haven't got an endless bore sharing such garbage on this forum. For what it's worth, I think the Trevor account is very likely to be something set up by a form of organised political activism on the Right. It could be linked to the Tory Party or an offshoot. An attempt to destabilise, propagandise and ruin political discussion forums thought to be left-leaning. Quite possible. However FWIW for the record and for my part I am a disorganised political inactivist. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 21, 2023 22:38:53 GMT
I agree that the third place play-off in world cups is pretty pointless, but since it has been played at every men's world cup since 1934 it clearly wasn't invented for television. Ta for that, it goes back further than I realised. I was aware that they switched to a knockout format for the final stage at some point after 1950 (Brazil's traumatising loss to Uruguay actually being the last match of the final group stage, not a Final) but didn't realise they'd also had knockout stages in the 30s. The 1950 'final group' arrangement was the only time FIFA have done that - I think they realised that it deprived them of a final with associated drama, except they got lucky and there was effectively a final after all (and a dramatic one at that). The format is always being fiddled with. 1930 was a group stage, followed by semi-finals and final (so quite modern apart from being much smaller). It was the only world cup without a third place play-off. 1934 and 1938 were a straight knock-out, the problem with which was that some teams crossed half the globe by ship to play one match and go home again. Don't ask me to explain the system in 1954, it was completely insane! The two rounds of groups model that prevailed in the 1974 to 1982 period was almost as daft. www.topendsports.com/events/worldcupsoccer/formats.htm#google_vignette |
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 21, 2023 22:40:13 GMT
Not really, its more that the 48% for Labour was at the top end of the range for all polls including R&W. So the "drop of 6%" isn't real - maybe there is a smaller drop or maybe its just fluctuation around 44/45%, the next poll may tell (or may not!). (Btw now you've quoted my post (rather than Trevor's which had the movements in) I expect he will respond. He invariably seems to when people quote my posts, which otherwise he claims not to see - unless me writing this puts him off. ) As you say, further polling, perhaps after the end of August, might provide more of a pointer as to what the real state of play between the various parties might be. I replied to your post since, although it did not include the movements, which I always look for, I found the data was 'cleaner' and more accessible, without the need to navigate through others' interpretation of the findings beforehand. I'm a firm believer in 'less is more' when it comes to polling data. 'Keep it simple' and I'll draw my own conclusions and seek clarification where I think it would help my understanding. I entirely agree in posting polls, and try to stick to that on the rare occasions I get one first. |
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Post by mercian on Aug 21, 2023 22:41:22 GMT
Not sure this has been aired, but an interesting report on gender splits in party affiliations - I knew it was a mistake giving them the vote. 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 22:45:54 GMT
Not sure this has been aired, but an interesting report on gender splits in party affiliations - I knew it was a mistake giving them the vote. 🤣 JEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by mercian on Aug 21, 2023 22:56:51 GMT
@fecklessmiser You've done it again. 🤣 Genuine chuckle. But I think you've forgotten that jen is my other id, or alter ego if you will, that I employ sometimes to liven the place up. Too tired tonight. Goodnight all. |
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Post by eor on Aug 21, 2023 23:22:20 GMT
Ta for that, it goes back further than I realised. I was aware that they switched to a knockout format for the final stage at some point after 1950 (Brazil's traumatising loss to Uruguay actually being the last match of the final group stage, not a Final) but didn't realise they'd also had knockout stages in the 30s. The 1950 'final group' arrangement was the only time FIFA have done that - I think they realised that it deprived them of a final with associated drama, except they got lucky and there was effectively a final after all (and a dramatic one at that). The format is always being fiddled with. 1930 was a group stage, followed by semi-finals and final (so quite modern apart from being much smaller). It was the only world cup without a third place play-off. 1934 and 1938 were a straight knock-out, the problem with which was that some teams crossed half the globe by ship to play one match and go home again. Don't ask me to explain the system in 1954, it was completely insane! The two rounds of groups model that prevailed in the 1974 to 1982 period was almost as daft. www.topendsports.com/events/worldcupsoccer/formats.htm#google_vignetteHah yeah I read about that one earlier this evening. Sadly it actually struck a chord - it shares several key elements with the totally bizarre changes they made for last season's Heineken Cup, particularly groups that aren't really groups and the seemingly random generation of group stage fixtures. |
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Post by oldnat on Aug 21, 2023 23:23:58 GMT
oldnat The influence the constituent members of the United kingdom would have in the European union as separate entities would be diminished. I assume you would accept that Croatia doesn't have as much influence as Germany in terms of economic and social policy or in the European parliament.Similar circumstances would apply to a separate Scotland which could expect to exert similar influence to perhaps Denmark, Wales would be akin to Cyprus. A independent England has a similar population to Italy and a GDP close to France so presumably would be a significant member state. This isn't a criticism of smaller states membership they play an important role and benefit massively from membership but it's naive to think that they are the driving force behind European union policy. The only exception to this might be northern Ireland ,given their semi detatched status from the rest of the UK already. If following a border poll they united with the Republic of Ireland they wouldn't actually have to join the European union, as they would already be members. This option clearly isn't open to the rest of the UK.
Of course, an independent England would have greater influence than Scotland or Wales - just as Germany has greater influence than the Netherlands. To the extent that there is any logic in your argument, the Netherlands would gain greater influence by becoming a Land in the German Federal Republic. (Spoiler : there is no logic in your argument - just self-interest)
Happy that you accept that your original suggestion that NI would be "diminished" in the EU was rubbish. That's a big problem with you BritNat conservatives. You are so attuned to thinking of the UK as Greater England, that you don't work out what it means for those of us who live in what you think of as Lesser England.
You are Rishi Sunak, and I claim my 5 million rupees. |
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Post by eor on Aug 21, 2023 23:35:05 GMT
That is a very naughty headline tbf - not having a full month's rent in savings that could be drawn upon needs about five layers of translation to get to "one paycheque away from losing their home", which is a spectre that surely isn't real anyway? Can you really be evicted for going into partial arrears on a single rent payment? (I appreciate if the answer is actually "yes" then I've played straight into the bubble you referenced in your first line!) |
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oldnat
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Post by oldnat on Aug 21, 2023 23:45:23 GMT
I wonder why the BelTel did an article on private renting in England. Probably just filling space by regurgitating a feed from a news agency.
Its readers would likely have been more interested in whatever the situation is in NI, though that would have meant the paper actually hiring enough journalists to do the research, and without a functioning Executive there would be no need to attack it for whatever they had or hadn't done.
Still, it's an interesting example of why UK residents outwith England are better informed about matters in that polity than the reverse - or why it's so hard to get news about matters in other parts of the UK than England, or one's own polity.
While ScotGov imposed a rent freeze on existing private rental agreements, it didn't apply to new contracts - where the rates seem to have shot up.
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). It so happens that the propaganda lines currently in use are quite close to those being followed by Tory Central Office, but that hasn't always been the case. 
