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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 8:28:26 GMT
mobyI'm waiting for the Tory slogan " vote Labour get lib dem" as their new scare tactic. Given that moderate Tory voters in their tens of thousands have just voted lib dems at the locals and persist in doing so in parliamentary by elections that should work!
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 8:30:03 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 8:48:36 GMT
Around 70% of Tory ministers attended fee charging schools, half went to Oxford or Cambridge.
45% of the wider Tory party attended public schools.
The figure for the Labour party is 14% , double the national average.
No Lib Dem MP's as far as can recall went to public schools well done them.
The Tory party appears to have an Eton disorder!
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 15, 2023 9:09:14 GMT
Moby: "how is it possible to be so wrong about everything and have so little self awareness at the same time."I came across the phrase, 'the arrogance of ignorance' the other day. Can't remember the source, but I do like a pithy aphorism. It reminds me of the first stanza of W B Yeats' poem "The Second Coming" Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; (the line usually quoted from this poem) Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst
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Post by neilj on Jul 15, 2023 9:09:22 GMT
Around 70% of Tory ministers attended fee charging schools, half went to Oxford or Cambridge. 45% of the wider Tory party attended public schools. The figure for the Labour party is 14% , double the national average. No Lib Dem MP's as far as can recall went to public schools well done them. The Tory party appears to have an Eton disorder! The very first one I checked, Ed Davey w went to a private school 'Nottingham High School is a private fee-charging day school for boys and girls' |
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Post by neilj on Jul 15, 2023 9:13:56 GMT
Leyland Moran attend Rodean
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 15, 2023 9:15:59 GMT
Around 70% of Tory ministers attended fee charging schools, half went to Oxford or Cambridge. 45% of the wider Tory party attended public schools. The figure for the Labour party is 14% , double the national average. No Lib Dem MP's as far as can recall went to public schools well done them. The Tory party appears to have an Eton disorder! The very first one I checked, Ed Davey w went to a private school 'Nottingham High School is a private fee-charging day school for boys and girls' Was it a private fee-charging school when Ed Davey went to it? My old school is now a private fee-charging school, but when I went to it it was a direct-grant grammar school taking almost all its pupils from those who had passed the 11+. I only remember one fee-payer in my class and he was the son of a local Labour politician. |
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Post by neilj on Jul 15, 2023 9:22:38 GMT
Full breakdown of MPs who attended private school by party commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7483/Conservative MPs elected at the 2019 General Election were the most likely to have attended a fee-paying school: 44% compared to 38% Liberal Democrat, 19% Labour and 8% SNP |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 9:23:35 GMT
In another instance of karma it seems Brexit has had a negative effect on Daily Mail advertising revenue.
It would appear there have been some benefits of brexit after all
The Mail’s chief revenue officer has said Brexit was bad for advertising – even though the brand has been one of the most vociferous backers of quitting the EU.
Dominic Williams, a senior figure at Mail Metro Media, which also includes The Mail on Sunday and Metro newspapers, said leaving the EU was “definitely having an effect on advertising spend, because of the UK economy”.
“At the moment, it’s tough out there,” he told The Media Leader website. “Really tough.”
Admitting his conclusion was ironic given the Mail’s stance, he added: “We’ve had quite a tough time in the world. In the UK, we had Brexit, and then we had the pandemic, and then we had Ukraine and cost-of-living.
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Post by domjg on Jul 15, 2023 9:43:30 GMT
Turkey hasn't made any progress towards EU membership in 60 odd years. That's not going to change now no matter how feverishly brexiters looking for literally anything to justify it would wish. The glee with which brexiters have seized upon hearing Turkey and the EU mentioned in the same sentence for the first time since Johnson's outright lies during the ref campaign have been a nice demonstration of desperation. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 15, 2023 9:47:12 GMT
Around 70% of Tory ministers attended fee charging schools, half went to Oxford or Cambridge. 45% of the wider Tory party attended public schools. The figure for the Labour party is 14% , double the national average. No Lib Dem MP's as far as can recall went to public schools well done them. The Tory party appears to have an Eton disorder! Plenty in the past. Jo Grimond went to Eton (proving I suppose that not all Old Etonian's are like Johnson and Cameron). More recently Nick Clegg went to Westminster (i.e. the school, not parliament!) |
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 9:48:07 GMT
neiljQuite right I forgot about Davey being the exception ,he was brought up by his grandparents as both his parents died before he was 11. Oxford PPE as well. I don't think there's any others.
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 15, 2023 9:48:55 GMT
Article on the EU in New Statesman: www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2023/07/eu-admit-ukraine-memberWhy the EU cannot admit Ukraine as a member Over the years I have known three grand narratives about the EU: the old federalist version, now presumed dead; another that reduces the EU to a glorified common market; and that of the EU as guarantor of freedom in post-Soviet Europe. This last story has never been more popular than it is today because of the war in Ukraine. But despite its obvious attractions, it is full of holes....I believe there is a solution. The EU could adopt a two-tier membership structure – a fortified eurozone at the centre and an outer group of members. Ukraine could join that second group. The frequently used word “associate member” would be too dismissive for what this would entail. A separation of the EU into inner and outer groupings would include the customs union, the single market, and structural and regional aid for everybody. If the core group assigned itself an autonomous fiscal union, it could raise funds, on the EU’s behalf, to finance Ukraine’s reconstruction. Ukraine, along with other countries in the outer group, would have full voting rights on all issues except the monetary and fiscal union, which would not include them. In turn, they would enjoy a higher degree of national sovereignty in economic policy.Some remarkably clear thinking on how the EU needs to go forward. It would be easier to persuade people in the UK to join the outer zone - essentially an updated Common Market. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 15, 2023 9:54:00 GMT
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 10:09:33 GMT
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Post by leftieliberal on Jul 15, 2023 10:21:22 GMT
I'm not sure that his assumption is valid. What he says about jet-streams is true, but that only applies to the mid-latitudes, not to the rest of the world. Already, regional climate shocks have helped cause a disastrous reversal in the trend of global chronic hunger. For many years, the number of hungry people fell. But in 2015 the trend turned and has been curving upwards since. This is not because of a lack of food.
Generally, it is war that causes chronic hunger and there has been an upturn in wars since the beginning of the millennium. At some point the stocks of food held against famines run out which is why the trend in chronic hunger turned later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 10:22:36 GMT
The glee with which brexiters have seized upon hearing Turkey and the EU mentioned in the same sentence for the first time since Johnson's outright lies during the ref campaign have been a nice demonstration of desperation. Is moby a brexiteer   |
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Post by neilj on Jul 15, 2023 10:32:37 GMT
neiljQuite right I forgot about Davey being the exception ,he was brought up by his grandparents as both his parents died before he was 11. Oxford PPE as well. I don't think there's any others. Hi Steve I take it you didn't see my later post 38% of libdems went to fee paying schools Full breakdown of MPs who attended private school by party commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7483/Conservative MPs elected at the 2019 General Election were the most likely to have attended a fee-paying school: 44% compared to 38% Liberal Democrat, 19% Labour and 8% SNP |
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Post by jib on Jul 15, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
neilj Quite right I forgot about Davey being the exception ,he was brought up by his grandparents as both his parents died before he was 11. Oxford PPE as well. I don't think there's any others. Hi Steve I take it you didn't see my later post 38% of libdems went to fee paying schools Full breakdown of MPs who attended private school by party commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7483/Conservative MPs elected at the 2019 General Election were the most likely to have attended a fee-paying school: 44% compared to 38% Liberal Democrat, 19% Labour and 8% SNP Wow. That just confirms my prejudices regarding the Lib Dems. |
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 11:20:47 GMT
neilj I can't actually see how you get 38% of 11. I think you'll find those figures relate to the period before December 2019 Only three of these are still MP's and only Davey went to public school. None of the by election winners went to fee charging schools, so that's almost exactly the national average of 7% If we win Somerton it drops to less than the national average.
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Post by neilj on Jul 15, 2023 11:37:20 GMT
neilj I can't actually see how you get 38% of 11. I think you'll find those figures relate to the period before December 2019 Only three of these are still MP's and only Davey went to public school. None of the by election winners went to fee charging schools, so that's almost exactly the national average of 7% If we win Somerton it drops to less than the national average. Steve I assume the the figures are about right as they are official figures from the House of Commons Library and are for the 2019 intake Maybe not all libdems answered? I did notice on wiki about half haven't got their early Education included. Of those that, did 3 went to a private school. Seems reasonable that atleast one more went to private school |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jul 15, 2023 12:22:01 GMT
I'm not sure that his assumption is valid. What he says about jet-streams is true, but that only applies to the mid-latitudes, not to the rest of the world. Already, regional climate shocks have helped cause a disastrous reversal in the trend of global chronic hunger. For many years, the number of hungry people fell. But in 2015 the trend turned and has been curving upwards since. This is not because of a lack of food.
Generally, it is war that causes chronic hunger and there has been an upturn in wars since the beginning of the millennium. At some point the stocks of food held against famines run out which is why the trend in chronic hunger turned later. Climate change is highly likely to promote more wars as states and people fight over scarce resources. The possibility of 'water wars' in the middle east for example. |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 15, 2023 13:43:13 GMT
The issue of rising global temperatures is frequently mentioned as a reason for mass migration from 'Africa' to Europe (even though a lot of Africa has very habitable land and most of the issue is 'economic migration' IMO). Of course in richer countries then a lot of folks just crank up the air-con but only if you can afford* it and, until we're 100% 'clean energy', then at further cost to the environment. You could potentially also get people leaving S.Europe and S.US states and moving North or at least a 'reverse' of what the yanks call 'Snow Birds' (ie instead of people from cold Northern places moving South for Winter, then as per the British Empire days in India - folks who can afford to, move North to escape the uncomfortable Summer heat) A lot of Europe is getting 'uncomfortable':
European heatwave: red alerts issued for 16 cities in Italywww.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/15/europe-heatwave-red-alerts-italy-cities-weatherand perhaps a little OTT in the headline and Arizona is a very popular place for 'Snow Birds' but in the Summer it is..
‘Hell on earth’: Phoenix’s extreme heatwave tests the limits of survivalwww.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/14/phoenix-heatwave-summer-extreme-weather-arizona* Obviously the issue varies by country and no need to try to misrepresent me but for places like UK then warmer Winters would reduce energy use and bills (although not if more people then start using air conditioning for the brief number of days we get to over 25C 🤦♂️) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 13:54:15 GMT
telling people to "look over there" will not alter reality.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 15, 2023 14:04:53 GMT
Even better if you're an entrepreneur and own the workshop/factory and are self-employed. In case people think that is a dodgy source, try: morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/labour-fables-sir-keir-visits-the-prolesHis family also ran a donkey farm and with the purge of Corbyn+co then it appears he wants nowt to do with donkeys anymore 
Keir Starmer sells 'donkey sanctuary' field in Surrey for around £400,000
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-sells-donkey-sanctuary-28757467He's flipped at least one property in recent years as well, although failed to fill in the tax forms correctly (to which the sock puppets will say he intentionally wanted to pay more tax than he should have or stated the 'net' rather than 'gross' capital gain) Also I note from wiki: "He was the second of the four children". In case anyone was doubting he is from a 'New Right' family I don't think any of the above is something Starmer should be ashamed off but I'm not surprised the ABStarmer types find it vexing when Starmer puts on the 'I came from a poor background and had it tough as a lad' performance to pretend he is 'one of the people' 🤮 NB I appreciate that if I have to explain a joke then it's not funny. However, Starmer is the son of someone who made tools.. Starmer being a... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 14:13:10 GMT
telling people to "look over there" will not alter reality.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Jul 15, 2023 14:19:01 GMT
"Unite is (currently) Labour’s biggest financial backer and guarantees the party almost £1.5m a year". It appears Starmer has learned from Thatcher (coal) and has been stockpiling (cash) so that he can take on the unions - or at least do without their money when they finally realise that Sir Keith Stalin is a Tory
Labour must ‘give people something to vote for’, says Unite headwww.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/15/labour-must-give-people-something-to-vote-for-says-unite-head'Vested interests' can easily replace £1.5m/yr and don't mind Tory Plan B given Plan A have made themselves unelectable after 'partygate' and the Truss error.
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Post by steve on Jul 15, 2023 14:26:09 GMT
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