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Post by graham on Mar 27, 2023 11:10:37 GMT
domjg - "The English are good at ignoring reality if it upsets their view of themselves." This is a classic story that may illustrate your point - I did smile when I heard dark threats from Brexiters about how the 'English freeborn men' won't take X, Y or Z. English free born men have sat on their arses and accepted bucket loads of shit being dumped on them for years. It's the French that get on their hind legs and do something about it, now the Israelis. Great story, thanks Alec! That was 1976, I think nowadays there would probably have been argy-bargy. The English are now far more well versed in being confrontational with each other, just not with those in positions of power. Completely agree with your comment. Perhaps the ideal response would have been 'Please do help yourself!' |
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Post by neilj on Mar 27, 2023 11:19:30 GMT
When even Calgie is saying this you know the laughing gas ban is nonsense
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Post by domjg on Mar 27, 2023 11:24:08 GMT
The Israelis are I feel really doing a huge favour to all of us opposed to populism across the developed world by giving the likes of Trump/DeSantis, Johnson, Braverman, Meloni etc pause for thought about what we can do to frustrate them if they push us too far.
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Post by oldnat on Mar 27, 2023 11:25:06 GMT
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Post by neilj on Mar 27, 2023 11:41:36 GMT
Will be an interesting contest
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Post by leftieliberal on Mar 27, 2023 11:48:01 GMT
When even Calgie is saying this you know the laughing gas ban is nonsense It may be safe for expectant mothers who won't get this exposure more than a few times in their lifetime, but there is evidence that it is not safe for midwives who are getting exposure to nitrous oxide on a daily basis: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1740444/Results: Environmental levels exceeded the legal occupational exposure standards for nitrous oxide (100 ppm over an 8 hour time weighted average) in 35 of 46 midwife shifts monitored. There was a high correlation between personal environmental concentrations and biological uptake of nitrous oxide for those midwives with no body burden of nitrous oxide at the start of a shift, but not for others.
Also see: www.echo-news.co.uk/news/23254419.basildon-hospital-midwives-considering-nitrous-oxide-legal-action/ from earlier this year. Recreational use does need more research to assess the biological uptake of nitrous oxide by users, but to simply call banning it nonsense is sticking your head in the sand. |
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Post by oldnat on Mar 27, 2023 11:56:52 GMT
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Post by bendo on Mar 27, 2023 12:55:05 GMT
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Mar 27, 2023 13:03:44 GMT
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Post by bardin1 on Mar 27, 2023 13:13:44 GMT
Humza it is
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Post by thylacine on Mar 27, 2023 13:14:31 GMT
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Post by Mark on Mar 27, 2023 13:16:37 GMT
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Post by davwel on Mar 27, 2023 13:33:45 GMT
Humza has delivered a nice, well-prepared opening speech, and seems not be contemplating major changes but will work hard at keeping the SNP united.
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Post by neilj on Mar 27, 2023 13:35:36 GMT
52% to 48%, maybe not a good omen 😀
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Post by hireton on Mar 27, 2023 13:37:05 GMT
@jimjam I'm not sure what responses you got to your question about a second revising chamber for the Scottish Parliament and whether that would have helped make the GRR bill more palatable to its opponents and the UK Government. For those who don't know this is the process for Government bills: external.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/Education/18641.aspxSo there is no shortage of pre-legislative consultation and parliamentary scrutiny. The specific issues you cite are either matters of principle or not affected by the bill. I very much doubt whether a second revising chamber would have changed the outcome on those and the UK Government would challenge any bill which contained the principle of self ID. |
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Post by graham on Mar 27, 2023 13:39:18 GMT
My gut feeling is that this is a good result for the Unionist parties. I cannot see the SNP polling beyond the 35% - 40% range at the next Westminster GE.
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Post by leftieliberal on Mar 27, 2023 13:46:04 GMT
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Post by thylacine on Mar 27, 2023 13:49:11 GMT
52% to 48%, maybe not a good omen 😀 What does strike me is the quality of performance of the candidates in terms of composure and eloquence compared to those put forward so recently by the conservative party. |
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Post by thylacine on Mar 27, 2023 13:59:59 GMT
52% to 48%, maybe not a good omen 😀 Did you see the huge hug between the final two candidates after the result was announced. That will have been agreed back stage and if I can borrow Graham's Mystic Meg crystal ball, augurs ( on some actual evidence ) that the party will be keen to heal fractures. |
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Post by graham on Mar 27, 2023 14:06:20 GMT
52% to 48%, maybe not a good omen 😀 Did you see the huge hug between the final two candidates after the result was announced. That will have been agreed back stage and if I can borrow Graham's Mystic Meg crystal ball augurs on some actual evidence that the party will be keen to heal fractures I suspect he will not cut through to the wider electorate in Scotland in the way Sturgeon did. Even she only managed 36.9% in 2017 - he will do well to beat that. |
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Post by graham on Mar 27, 2023 14:07:29 GMT
Will be an interesting contest I would expect him to win. |
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Post by hireton on Mar 27, 2023 14:39:14 GMT
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Post by domjg on Mar 27, 2023 14:41:58 GMT
how nice for him to keep getting paid for that.. |
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Post by domjg on Mar 27, 2023 14:46:26 GMT
52% to 48%, maybe not a good omen 😀 What does strike me is the quality of performance of the candidates in terms of composure and eloquence compared to those put forward so recently by the conservative party. The current conservative party has become a receptacle for loons and those with a tenuous grasp of reality who nonetheless believe absolutely in their right to power over us. People for example who are convinced that people who actually work very hard are not working hard enough for their low wages while they expect to be showered with 10's of thousands for doing bugger all.. |
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Post by alec on Mar 27, 2023 14:54:56 GMT
For those interested, I have just posted a couple of new papers on the covid thread. One is an ONS study (published in Nature) which finds elevated risk of death in young people post covid infection, while the other is a study into 14 individuals infected with Sars in 2003. This find persistent immune system dysregulation, even after 18 years.
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Post by graham on Mar 27, 2023 15:04:21 GMT
There is a lot of ignorant chat on Twitter regarding the impact of Corbyn standing as an Independent. Some say he will split the Labour vote and so produce a Tory gain - totally ignoring the fact that the Tory vote there was just 10% in 2019! Others point to his automatic expulsion - forgetting that the same thing happened to Ken Livingstone in 2000 when he stood successfully against Frank Dobson for London Mayor. He was later readmitted to the party - as has Luciana Berger recently despite opposing Labour at Finchley in 2019.
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Post by alec on Mar 27, 2023 15:04:21 GMT
Couple of themes doing the rounds on the Ukraine war today. Firstly, there is a widespread feeling that China has been deeply displeased about Putin's claim to be moving nukes to Belarus. At last week's Sino-Russian summit, they actually signed a document which stated that putting nuclear weapons into non nuclear countries was a bad idea, and China has issued a statement today which is being read as clearly displeased.
The second take doing the rounds is that Russian casualties have been systematically under-counted by western observers, who have naturally assumed that Ukrainian claims are heavily laced with propaganda. Some of the military bean counters are starting to suggest that this isn't necessarily so, and the stalling of Russia's battlefield activity and reaching back to the 1950s for spare tanks for the front line might suggest they have a point.
Russian casualties are enormous, however you count them, but they could be even bigger than commonly thought.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Mar 27, 2023 15:14:50 GMT
OK so I have a question. The term “Progressive” didn’t get used so much on the old board as I remember, but it crops up quite a bit here, so was wondering what are people’s definitions of it, and how does it differ from liberalism? (I have seen some comment on the comparison between the two online - e.g. the difference between using government funding to effect change vs govt. regulation, but wondered what folk on here thought).
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Post by davwel on Mar 27, 2023 15:35:13 GMT
thylacineThat 86% of the SNP members voted in the leadership for two candidates with non-standard-for-Scotland religious backgrounds (each 40% plus) is indicative and signifcant for me. These members were not inclined or receptive to "othering" because they didn`t know about the present views in the two different fellowships, or worried by past pronouncements by some in the faiths. Instead they voted on the candidates` good qualities, regularly shown in their recent government roles and in the leadership public debates. This indicates to me that the SNP party is less prone, though not immune, from the dogmatic and wilder fights that tarnish our three main UK parties. And I hope Humza will give fitting roles to both Kate and Ash.
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Post by steve on Mar 27, 2023 15:45:23 GMT
Historical fact Spartans were notorious for throwing their enemies out of WhatsApp groups. youtu.be/tNt8lLoIuD8 |
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