04-Sep 2022 : LAB: 44% / CON: 31% / LDEM: 12% / GRN: 4%

[steve]

More cheese

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 13:29:48 GMT steve said:

I think it's very brave of the Tories to put a physically challenged individual( paralyzed from the neck up) in as our new unelected prime minister.

What a low life you are.

[graham]

We must be magnanimous and be prepared to congratulate the Tory Trollop in her hour of triumph.

She is very keen to have Kwasi Kwarteng living next door. I cannot think why that would be.

[steve]

colin

I take it you are impressed by her grasp of her brief.

I've not insulted you, your petulant defence of political politeness regarding Tories and gratuitous personal insults directed at those who take a more robust approach might be more appropriate at the local conservative association.

I've no idea how low your life is and don't actually care.

[Deleted]

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Bruno Le Maire said that without this measure, the rise in gas and electricity tariffs would be at least 100% next year in an interview with Les Echos.
This would equate to “an increase of €120 on average per household each month.
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It has also lowered sales tax on gas to protect consumers, costing the state €10billion.

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Connexion
Sept 1

[domjg]

Sept 5, 2022 13:45:10 GMT colin said:

Sept 5, 2022 13:18:58 GMT domjg said:

You're pretty adept at trawling the web. One for you I reckon

It might be considered sexist and misogynistic.

Best not.

erm, you could ask the ladies here what they think if in doubt but my guess is it would not be so considered. It's nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman but that she was obviously trying to send some weird message to the Tory members: metro.co.uk/2022/07/16/liz-truss-wears-identical-outfit-to-margaret-thatcher-at-tory-debate-17010566/ 

[shevii]

Sept 5, 2022 8:23:59 GMT neilj said:

Perhaps a side issue and not that important in the big scheme of things, but it concerns the National Trust
I am a member and don't usually bother to vote in their elections, but will this time.

There is a rather shadowy organisation called Restore Trust trying to infiltrate it. Details here
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/13/national-trust-warns-of-threat-from-ideological-campaign-waged-against-it



It is useful for me as to who not to vote for.

One of those they endorsed last year, Stephen Green, advocated the death penalty for gay people?
Posted in case any one else finds it useful.

Thanks for the info.

I normally feel a little bit guilty voting in these kinds of elections (Co-Op is another one) seeing as I know nothing about the people involved and even if I read their statements carefully I feel like I may be making a mistake by just voting for someone who writes a good statement.  I did vote in the National Trust ones before, just for the purposes of excluding anyone who used words like woke in their statements and hoped for the best. Not that I care if they have an "anti woke" worldview especially- just that for that to be one of their key concerns for the National Trust suggests to me they have their priorities wrong.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 14:03:39 GMT steve said:

colin

I take it you are impressed by her grasp of her brief.

I've not insulted you, your petulant defence of political politeness regarding Tories and gratuitous personal insults directed at those who take a more robust approach might be more appropriate at the local conservative association.

I've no idea how low your life is and don't actually care.

You have no idea who you insult with your appalling personal abuse of disability, ethnicity and gender.

And you clearly don't care.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 14:11:11 GMT domjg said:

Sept 5, 2022 13:45:10 GMT colin said:

It might be considered sexist and misogynistic.

Best not.

erm, you could ask the ladies here what they think if in doubt but my guess is it would not be so considered. It's nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman but that she was obviously trying to send some weird message to the Tory members: metro.co.uk/2022/07/16/liz-truss-wears-identical-outfit-to-margaret-thatcher-at-tory-debate-17010566/ 

erm I think not 
I was just teasing you 

[oldnat]

Sept 5, 2022 13:53:01 GMT alec said:

mercian - I think you're overdoing the benefits to the low paid of Thatcher's tax policy, but fairs fair, during her tenure British cheese production rose by 82%. Not a lot of people know that, but it's all here, in the 176 page history of British cheese making 'The Evolution of the British Cheese Industry', Nigel White, 2018 - sdt-static.s3.amazonaws.com/media/uploads/2018/11/08/Evolution%20of%20British%20(2018)%20(1).pdf

From the Romans to Brexit, everything you ever wanted to know about British cheese.

Fascinating stuff, cheese. I note from that informative tome that in 2016 only Russia, Ukraine, Spain and Ireland consumed less cheese per capita than the UK.
With our new PM's ambitions, the UK will soar to world leader in cheese consumption.

[somerjohn]

Colin: "
You have no idea who you insult with your appalling personal abuse of disability, ethnicity and gender."

Glad to see you're prepared to wear your woke attitudes loud and proud.

[robbiealive]

Sept 5, 2022 13:18:58 GMT domjg said:

Sept 5, 2022 12:43:34 GMT colin said:

You're pretty adept at trawling the web. One for you I reckon

Conservative leadership frontrunner Liz Truss has denied that she has been modelling herself on former prime minister Margaret Thatcher. The foreign secretary suggested comparisons to the former Tory leader were sexist and said it was “frustrating that female politicians always get compared to Margaret Thatcher” [meant in senses which go beyond the satorials.]


The right-wing female candidates constantly referenced Thatcher in their campaigns as their political belle ideal, ad nauseum. If you keep comparing yr political ideals to hers, basically saying I'm going to be Thatcher Mark 2, then people will compare you to her. They want to be compared to Thatcher & then complain when they are. 

Johnson liked to associate himslef with Churchill which was ludicrous. Perhaps he should have worn a homburg & smoked a fat cigar.
American politicians reference the founding fathers, though perhaps less often these days as so many of them were slaveowners, but none would compare themselves to Washington let alone Lincoln or FDR. 

Re

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 13:53:01 GMT alec said:

@crofty - I'm delaying my carp, trying to throw my opponent off balance with a tactic of Obtuse Reversion, where I chuck in some unconnected facts to confuse the discussion. This is one you might appreciate.

i don’t wish to quibble (I do) but you’ve ended up confusing me.

ps What a shame W.H. Smith didn’t come up with the financial backing I needed for “Quibble or Carp?” Potentially one of the best board games ever and - as evidence in our precious boutique demonstrated - one that could last for days.

(Months for some specialist players…)

[oldnat]

Sept 5, 2022 14:21:23 GMT somerjohn said:

Colin: "
You have no idea who you insult with your appalling personal abuse of disability, ethnicity and gender."

Glad to see you're prepared to wear your woke attitudes loud and proud.

IIRC, colin has a child who is disabled. His reaction is, therefore, understandable. I have no idea how I would cope, were I in his situation (probably less effectively than him),

[lululemonmustdobetter]

Sept 5, 2022 14:11:11 GMT domjg said:

Sept 5, 2022 13:45:10 GMT colin said:

It might be considered sexist and misogynistic.

Best not.

erm, you could ask the ladies here what they think if in doubt but my guess is it would not be so considered. It's nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman but that she was obviously trying to send some weird message to the Tory members: metro.co.uk/2022/07/16/liz-truss-wears-identical-outfit-to-margaret-thatcher-at-tory-debate-17010566/ 

Hi domjg

This just looks like a typical Colin gambit move - at one level he seems to be casting doubt on your masculinity (there is absolutely nothing wrong with a man showing an interest/knowledge of women's fashion) which he will strenuously deny he is doing if challenged. Then there is the other side he will claim - that he is in some way pointing out sexism/hypocrisy in you (completely unjustified). As you rightly noted, Truss's clear use of Thatcherite inspired imagery (from her clothes to her phot ops) has been generally noted and commented upon  across the media and commentariat. 

[steve]

colin
None of that is true
Clearly no one is actually paralysed from the neck up its not a real suggestion it can't possibly cause any genuine offence it's a humorous reference to Truss's evident stupidity, only someone intent on finding it offensive could imagine it referred to a genuine disability.

Your other comments are untrue and offensive if you can find any post I've ever made that is a genuine abuse of ethnicity or gender I'm sure you will be happy to provide it, you won't because there aren't any.
Why not simply stick to the mind numbingly boring posts you normally provide rather than dissolving into faux right wing snow flakery.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 14:15:46 GMT colin said:

Sept 5, 2022 14:03:39 GMT steve said:

colin

I take it you are impressed by her grasp of her brief.

I've not insulted you, your petulant defence of political politeness regarding Tories and gratuitous personal insults directed at those who take a more robust approach might be more appropriate at the local conservative association.

I've no idea how low your life is and don't actually care.

You have no idea who you insult with your appalling personal abuse of disability, ethnicity and gender.

And you clearly don't care.

Must say I also found it very inappropriate- though I wouldn’t have used your language either. I think dismissing anybody using references to poor mental of physical health is rather ugly.

Feel the same about Graham’s sexist nonsense as well. Which he has already been warned about of course.

[robbiealive]

Sept 5, 2022 14:21:23 GMT somerjohn said:

Colin: "
You have no idea who you insult with your appalling personal abuse of disability, ethnicity and gender."

Glad to see you're prepared to wear your woke attitudes loud and proud.

Now. now don't pick unecessary fights, esp on what I think is unsteady ground. Colin has told us of his daughter's disability, if thatt is the right word for her condition, & as a person with a severely disabled close family member I know how aware it makes one of the difficulties people face in life in a world not equipped to deal with their problems. 

[steve]

I wasn't aware of Colin's personal circumstances and while I don't accept for one moment that the comment is disrespectful to those with genuine issues I am happy to apologise to them if they felt there was any intent to do so.
There wasn't and I of course wish them well in the challenges that life can throw us.

[alec]

@crofty - "i don’t wish to quibble (I do) but you’ve ended up confusing me."

There you go - a perfect example of obtuse reversion at work.

And if you think you're confused, just imagine how poor old mercian is coping.

Hah!

[wb61]

alec

"obtuse reversion" a technique first established by Stanley Unwin, but spoiled by his insistence on the use of the "sbroken" English, however as I understand it the technique was finally developed into its modern form by the creators of Roger Irrelevant. I am afraid you have some way to go to achieve that level of obtusely reverting. By the way as Quibble and Carp is, apparently, Crofty's creation (Patent Pending), aren't you nervous of lawsuits?   

[oldnat]

Immediately following the announcement of the Truss Premiership, a Tory MSP resigns. No doubt someone on Twitter will mention rats and sinking ships, but that would be wholly inappropriate.

This is simply a passenger disembarking on discovering that the new captain is intent on copying Captain Edward Smith, who obeyed his owner's instruction to steam as fast as possible through the icebergs, due to the ship being on fire.

[Deleted]

Sept 5, 2022 15:08:39 GMT wb61 said:

alec

"obtuse reversion" a technique first established by Stanley Unwin, but spoiled by his insistence on the use of the "sbroken" English, however as I understand it the technique was finally developed into its modern form by the creators of Roger Irrelevant. I am afraid you have some way to go to achieve that level of obtusely reverting. By the way as Quibble and Carp is, apparently, Crofty's creation (Patent Pending), aren't you nervous of lawsuits?   

Thanks WB. Mine is in that special category of Patent - i.e. ‘pending on whether I get around to doing it.

However, if it comes to a lawsuit I hope I can count on your  support?

[somerjohn]

Oldnat: "IIRC, colin has a child who is disabled. His reaction is, therefore, understandable. I have no idea how I would cope, were I in his situation (probably less effectively than him)",

Yes, I'm aware of that, but I was praising him for championing not only the area of disadvantage that affects him directly, but other disadvantaged groups as well. Not all RoC types seem prepared to accept that woke attitudes often amount to no more than common human decency. All credit where it's due.

[wb61]

Sept 5, 2022 15:24:18 GMT @crofty said:

Sept 5, 2022 15:08:39 GMT wb61 said:

alec

"obtuse reversion" a technique first established by Stanley Unwin, but spoiled by his insistence on the use of the "sbroken" English, however as I understand it the technique was finally developed into its modern form by the creators of Roger Irrelevant. I am afraid you have some way to go to achieve that level of obtusely reverting. By the way as Quibble and Carp is, apparently, Crofty's creation (Patent Pending), aren't you nervous of lawsuits?   

Thanks WB. Mine is in that special category of Patent - i.e. ‘pending on whether I get around to doing it.

However, if it comes to a lawsuit I hope I can count on your  support?

When it comes to support I thought you might be reliant on a Truss

[alec]

Ukraine: Russia announces they are pausing the referendum in Kherson, so a small victory for Ukraine.

[davwel]

It was clever how the 1922 Committee delayed the announcement of the election result by 7 minutes, so that the BBC could keep recycling the video clip of massed clapping of the Tories attending.

This being to make viewers think the party is united.

[jayblanc]

I'm hoping I don't have a fall and end up in hospital and have to answer the question "Who is the Prime Minister?" because let me tell you...

[peterbell]

I am rather disappointed at the tone of this new thread. I had hoped that it would move away from the insults etc. shown in the previous thread. However, early indications are that it is just as bad, possibly worse.

It is perfectly possible to make a reasonable clear argument against another posters pov. without resorting to insults etc. I would hope to see an improvement in the tone of future posts.

[jimjam]

Just out; R&W latest.

''Labour leads by 12%, tied largest lead for Labour that we've recorded.

Westminster Voting Intention (4 Sept.):

Labour 43% (+1)
Conservative 31% (–)
Liberal Democrat 12% (–)
Green 6% (-1)
SNP 5% (+1)
Reform UK 3% (–)
Other 1% (-1)

Changes +/- 31 Aug.

redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voti… pic.twitter.com/uw6hwBN0xt


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