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Post by reggieside on Sept 30, 2022 17:02:11 GMT
Im guessing that the timing of the budget was aimed to coincide with the parliamentary recess (no debate in parliament - and awkward questions from your own side) and to overshadow the labour party conference. But what it did was to make Starmer and co part of the story - with a ready made media platform to berate the lunacy and look like they were the grown ups in the room. I dont imagine you could find a more spectacular example of political suicide.
The comparisons with black Wednesday are strong - but i think this is considerably worse. Black wednesday was the result of a long term policy that was pretty much in line with most orthodox thinking - FUBAR Friday was the result of deliberate and reckless decision that blew up in spectacular fashion. Also the repercussions - on mortgagees,-pensions, public services, pay - have yet to be felt and will be causing pain for some considerable time.
By 1997 the economy was in reasonable shape but the tories saw no benfit - and it was five years on from black wednesday.
Now they have only 2 year until the next election and a considerable amount of pain to come - that they will be overwhelmingly blamed for.
Labour are on for a landslide. The tories could well be destroyed. And they absolutely deserve it.
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Post by neilj on Sept 30, 2022 17:02:38 GMT
Link to a tweet from Omnisis explaining who they are
This was a tweet from yesterday before the release of the full poll showing a 32% lead to Labour
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Post by technical on Sept 30, 2022 17:04:14 GMT
Also still cant get the hang of attaching comments to an existing post, can anyone help Thanks Press the "Quote" button in the top right-hand corner. It will bring up a "Create Post" window with the text of the post you are commenting on in a box. Good practice is to delete text in this box that you don't want to refer to (as I did here). Also try pressing the BBCode button in the bottom left corner and see if you prefer using that. You can use "Preview" to switch back. [Added later] You can also edit posts you have already made (the Edit button is next the the Quote button). Thanks Mercian and Leftie |
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Post by pjw1961 on Sept 30, 2022 17:06:38 GMT
I posted earlier today about the difficulty of finding a Tory willing to do "Any Questions". For the record, the short straw was finally drawn by Ranil Jayawardena MP, Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. I bet he's looking forward to it.
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Post by technical on Sept 30, 2022 17:08:13 GMT
Jim Jam you are often good at digging down into by elections when results seem to buck the trend Bit confused how Tory vote held up so well in the 2 Rossendale wards yesterday in the face of 20% + poll leads and their current crisis. Big independent vote in one ward but strange all the same. Any explanation appreciated Also still cant get the hang of attaching comments to an existing post, can anyone help Thanks Welcome. I clicked on the 'Quote' button at the top of your post, and then added this below the quoted bit that comes up. Thanks Mercian/Leftie |
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Post by pjw1961 on Sept 30, 2022 17:08:55 GMT
Im guessing that the timing of the budget was aimed to coincide with the parliamentary recess (no debate in parliament - and awkward questions from your own side) and to overshadow the labour party conference. But what it did was to make Starmer and co part of the story - with a ready made media platform to berate the lunacy and look like they were the grown ups in the room. I dont imagine you could find a more spectacular example of political suicide. The comparisons with black Wednesday are strong - but i think this is considerably worse. Black wednesday was the result of a long term policy that was pretty much in line with most orthodox thinking - FUBAR Friday was the result of deliberate and reckless decision that blew up in spectacular fashion. Also the repercussions - on mortgagees,-pensions, public services, pay - have yet to be felt and will be causing pain for some considerable time. By 1997 the economy was in reasonable shape but the tories saw no benfit - and it was five years on from black wednesday. Now they have only 2 year until the next election and a considerable amount of pain to come - that they will be overwhelmingly blamed for. Labour are on for a landslide. The tories could well be destroyed. And they absolutely deserve it. FUBAR Friday - excellent. It shall be known as that by me from now on. |
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Post by alec on Sept 30, 2022 17:17:02 GMT
Car Crash Friday?
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Post by alec on Sept 30, 2022 17:17:17 GMT
Or just Crash Friday.
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Post by mandolinist on Sept 30, 2022 17:31:25 GMT
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Post by mandolinist on Sept 30, 2022 17:35:13 GMT
Truss trashed Friday?
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Post by neilj on Sept 30, 2022 17:40:23 GMT
Looking at the last 8 polls Labour is polling between 46%-55%.
That is a big shift
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Post by bardin1 on Sept 30, 2022 17:40:46 GMT
TBIF
Truss Blew it Friday?
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Post by oldnat on Sept 30, 2022 17:41:00 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 30, 2022 17:41:24 GMT
Im guessing that the timing of the budget was aimed to coincide with the parliamentary recess (no debate in parliament - and awkward questions from your own side) and to overshadow the labour party conference. But what it did was to make Starmer and co part of the story - with a ready made media platform to berate the lunacy and look like they were the grown ups in the room. I dont imagine you could find a more spectacular example of political suicide. The comparisons with black Wednesday are strong - but i think this is considerably worse. Black wednesday was the result of a long term policy that was pretty much in line with most orthodox thinking - FUBAR Friday was the result of deliberate and reckless decision that blew up in spectacular fashion. Also the repercussions - on mortgagees,-pensions, public services, pay - have yet to be felt and will be causing pain for some considerable time. By 1997 the economy was in reasonable shape but the tories saw no benfit - and it was five years on from black wednesday. Now they have only 2 year until the next election and a considerable amount of pain to come - that they will be overwhelmingly blamed for. Labour are on for a landslide. The tories could well be destroyed. And they absolutely deserve it. I don't want to take the wind out of your sails, but did you see that council by-election result in Facit and Shawforth (Rossendale) last night? The doughty 774 souls who went to the polling stations yesterday gave a great big kick up the backside to You Gov and the rest of them. Tory vote down 17% but they held on. Is the Labour Conference bounce unwinding already, I wonder? |
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2022 17:43:47 GMT
The UK Government strategy ( or hope) is that their announcements on supply side reforms will convince the markets if not the electorate about the efficacy of their fiscal plans.
It is briefing about significant announcements in a number of areas including financial regulation, planning, agriculture, immigration and others.
In the most favourable circumstances, it would be difficult for any credible analyst to estimate their impact on economic growth with any certainty.
However, they will all likely be controversial not least amongst Tory backbenchers. They will take significant time to introduce and implement ( especially if legislation is needed although the Retained EU Law bill may possibly enable short cut legislation in some areas through SIs). And they might be changed or repealed by a new government in a couple of years.
Against that background, it is difficult to see how the OBR can make any robust forecast of their impact on economic growth and to see how they can reassure the markets. So the strategy seems to lack realism and substance.
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Post by alec on Sept 30, 2022 17:45:01 GMT
mandolinist - I guess we can't just have F@ck Friday, because it would become a slackers mantra.
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Post by crossbat11 on Sept 30, 2022 17:46:24 GMT
Pancaked Friday.
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Post by mandolinist on Sept 30, 2022 17:49:32 GMT
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Post by steve on Sept 30, 2022 17:49:35 GMT
TFIF (Truss f*cked it Friday)
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Post by steve on Sept 30, 2022 17:55:52 GMT
Given the dangers faced by members of parliament the actions of the regime and its life threatening implications for members of the public have also put the safety of their own mps in jeopardy
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Post by reggieside on Sept 30, 2022 17:56:31 GMT
link" No sense whatever of an imminent U-turn in Downing Street on Budget. One source says: 'We've got an 80-seat majority and we've done nothing with it. We have an opportunity now to push through reforms to things that have been holding Britain back for years. If not now, when?'" Terrifying. They have no democratic mandate for this and they are prepared to drive the country over a cliff in pursuit of their delusional ideology. They are fanatics.
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Post by mandolinist on Sept 30, 2022 17:58:10 GMT
Actually to really capture the mood, both of ordinary people and the government, I suggest
Distress Friday
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2022 18:01:12 GMT
alec Re payments for development. I agree it can be a sensible approach. My doubts in this case are: - firstly, this is exploratory work so there is no necessary recurrent revenue stream to fund community benefit projects. - secondly, it is not clear that payments will be directed to a community body rather than to individuals. - thirdly, IIRC developments where there have been accompanying community benefit payments have gone through applicable local planning and other regulatory processes. There have been briefings that Truss will bring these fracking projects under a nationally important infrastructure category in an expedited centrally decided planning process. So my concern is that there will be a dodgy local payment process to enable central government decisions with no substantive local political or community influence. We shall see.
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2022 18:03:42 GMT
Hubris before nemesis?
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Post by peterbell on Sept 30, 2022 18:11:42 GMT
Barbara wrote :- James O'Brien did a phone in this morning on the reasons for the polls and there were loads of ex Tories phoning in to say they were going to vote Tory and alongside the obvious car crash that is Truss they to a man/woman said they were impressed with Starmer's speech at conference and viewed him as safe and reliable and when challenged said that boring and competent is what we need.
This included several who had worked for and campaigned for and joined the Tories in the past.
Barbara, I am assuming and hoping you have a typo, "phoning in to say they were going to vote Tory". Hopefully you meant Lab. If so, I will give you a like
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Post by jib on Sept 30, 2022 18:12:24 GMT
The UK Government strategy ( or hope) is that their announcements on supply side reforms will convince the markets if not the electorate about the efficacy of their fiscal plans. It is briefing about significant announcements in a number of areas including financial regulation, planning, agriculture, immigration and others. In the most favourable circumstances, it would be difficult for any credible analyst to estimate their impact on economic growth with any certainty. However, they will all likely be controversial not least amongst Tory backbenchers. They will take significant time to introduce and implement ( especially if legislation is needed although the Retained EU Law bill may possibly enable short cut legislation in some areas through SIs). And they might be changed or repealed by a new government in a couple of years. Against that background, it is difficult to see how the OBR can make any robust forecast of their impact on economic growth and to see how they can reassure the markets. So the strategy seems to lack realism and substance. Agree. Given that we're 2/3rds of the way through this Parliament, I can't see that this is anything than a prospectus for a post 2024 Tory Government. Nevertheless, it is ambitious and will challenge Labour to show how they really will promote growth if they win. |
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Post by graham on Sept 30, 2022 18:22:58 GMT
Rather out of date in that the Tory majority has now fallen to 72! |
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Post by alurqa on Sept 30, 2022 18:23:32 GMT
mandolinist - I guess we can't just have F@ck Friday, because it would become a slackers mantra. Fubar Friday makes more sense -- because it's accurate! |
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Post by graham on Sept 30, 2022 18:24:30 GMT
The UK Government strategy ( or hope) is that their announcements on supply side reforms will convince the markets if not the electorate about the efficacy of their fiscal plans. It is briefing about significant announcements in a number of areas including financial regulation, planning, agriculture, immigration and others. In the most favourable circumstances, it would be difficult for any credible analyst to estimate their impact on economic growth with any certainty. However, they will all likely be controversial not least amongst Tory backbenchers. They will take significant time to introduce and implement ( especially if legislation is needed although the Retained EU Law bill may possibly enable short cut legislation in some areas through SIs). And they might be changed or repealed by a new government in a couple of years. Against that background, it is difficult to see how the OBR can make any robust forecast of their impact on economic growth and to see how they can reassure the markets. So the strategy seems to lack realism and substance. Agree. Given that we're 2/3rds of the way through this Parliament, I can't see that this is anything than a prospectus for a post 2024 Tory Government. Nevertheless, it is ambitious and will challenge Labour to show how they really will promote growth if they win. You still expect a post 2024 Tory Government? |
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Post by hireton on Sept 30, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
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