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Post by johntel on Aug 26, 2022 14:04:09 GMT
@mark “ To give one scenario, melting ice from the Arctic flows south. Should such a flow interrupt the Gulf Stream or even push it southwards, we would see a significant reduction in temperatures, particularly in winter. There is precident for this, as it happened after the end of the last ice age.” 1967 - I remember it well. No, the last ice age was 1963. i think you're getting it mixed up with the 'summer of love'.
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 26, 2022 14:04:33 GMT
Taking out the anti-SNP part of the Guardian's report on the Edinburgh bin strike, they do at least mention that the Unions are seeking a flat-rate pay award, rather than the percentage awards that are being demanded here in England: "The three unions, Unison, Unite and GMB, have accused the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla), the SNP-led umbrella group for Scotland’s 32 councils, of failing to grasp the severity of the cost of living crisis. They are urging councils to agree to a £3,000 flat-rate pay award, which they argue would significantly help lower-paid workers, rather than a percentage increase that would unfairly benefit highest paid staff." www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/26/nicola-sturgeon-bin-strike-pay-dispute-schools-scottish-toriesIt is a pity that we are not seeing the same approach from Unions south of the Border. They would engender more sympathy if they were seen to be supporting the lowest-paid.
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Post by johntel on Aug 26, 2022 14:09:19 GMT
“ The survey also says just 50% of voters who backed the Conservatives in 2019 would vote for a govt led by Liz Truss.” Once she starts distributing free cheese to all those figures will begin to change dramatically. I'm a Lib Dem, but I'd certainly consider switching for a truckle of Wensleydale.
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Post by domjg on Aug 26, 2022 14:13:03 GMT
“ The survey also says just 50% of voters who backed the Conservatives in 2019 would vote for a govt led by Liz Truss.” Once she starts distributing free cheese to all those figures will begin to change dramatically. I'm a Lib Dem, but I'd certainly consider switching for a truckle of Wensleydale. "I'm a Lib Dem" - If you say so John.
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Post by bedknobsandboomstick on Aug 26, 2022 14:13:45 GMT
“ The survey also says just 50% of voters who backed the Conservatives in 2019 would vote for a govt led by Liz Truss.” Once she starts distributing free cheese to all those figures will begin to change dramatically. I'm a Lib Dem, but I'd certainly consider switching for a truckle of Wensleydale. Supplying a kilo of British cheese to every man woman and child in the country could be done for less than £1B. People could then keep warm by lighting any resulting flatulence.
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Post by steve on Aug 26, 2022 15:01:49 GMT
Zahawi urges people to cut back on use –
He's going to provide an example by down sizing his stables to a rocking horse sanctuary.
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Post by steve on Aug 26, 2022 15:03:02 GMT
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Post by davwel on Aug 26, 2022 15:39:36 GMT
@ Alurqa:
Winter 1947, snowbound bus, Castle Hill, Huddersfield. This was one of three single deck buses stranded for several weeks on this stretch of Ashes Lane in the long hard winter of 1947. The last bus to be stuck had been fitted with a snowplough to try and rescue the other two. The buses belonged to Huddersfield Corporation and at least one of them was still coloured wartime grey instead of mostly red with a cream band. "Huddersfield Joint Omnibus Committee bus 33 VH7534 owned by the London, Midland & Scottish Railway Company a AEC Regal chassis built in Southall, London, chassis number 06621641 with a Brush Company of Loughborough 32 sear rear entrance body new 12th April 1935 for £1513, it ran 259444 miles. It was sold to Henry Lane a dealer on 3 Feb 1945 for £500."
We had several bad winters in the North from 1945 to 1963.
I remember one bad snowstorm that had blocked the A686, so Wright`s bus going from Penrith to Newcastle had to go the extra 35 miles via Brampton instead of over Hartside. Wright`s had managed to put on another coach to go North down the South Tyne valley (and then turn east to Hexham) and when the two buses met, the Newcastle-bound passengers transferred to this coach. Which left me the only passenger hoping to reach Alston. This bus struggled up the hills on the last 6 miles, and I was out shovelling grit and even pushing the 33-seater. I was actually heading South another 11 miles to reach work in Upper Teesdale, but took refuge in a colleague`s house in Alston, and walked the 11 miles plus food and mail next day.
I smile at the stories coming at hardships in Southern England being recounted for these winters. Brampton maybe little known, but Edmondson, creator of the first railway tickets lived there, and is being commemorated on the South Tyne light railway these days. The BR line up to the Alston deadend was pretty important for Alston in the 1960s, and Wright`s were a great tiny bus company.
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Post by davwel on Aug 26, 2022 15:53:55 GMT
As an example of how most people in the UK have become used to over-heated houses, shops, workplaces, we had Ben Rich giving the 12.57 pm R4 saying the weather would be cool in the South.
Cool!!! - absolutely ridiculous, when he also said a minute later that temperatures would be above 20 deg C.
I realise many won`t be able to afford to have their rooms above 18 deg C this winter, and need financial help. But it is long overdue for Green-minded people to push for lower average temperatures to keep emissions down. People have bodies that ought to feel uncomfortable when temperatures pass 20 deg C, but they just don`t. Instead we have folk wanting holidays in Greece, and round the Med.
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Post by barbara on Aug 26, 2022 16:25:42 GMT
I love reading Marina Hyde in the Guardian and would rec9mmend that anyone should look her up on the Opinion pages. Here is a small example of her writing - about Truss - from today: “ The UK needs a titanic figure; it feels like it’s getting a Titanic one. Truss is the relentlessly perky crew member trying to disguise the rush for the lifeboats as proof the cruise firm’s shore excursions are extremely popular. Appearing unable to engage realistically with the various crises simply emphasises her smallness.” Me too. She's brilliant.
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Post by johntel on Aug 26, 2022 16:26:53 GMT
I'm a Lib Dem, but I'd certainly consider switching for a truckle of Wensleydale. "I'm a Lib Dem" - If you say so John. domjg just for you I'll post a photo of my voting slip next time round. (Yes I know it's illegal - but I've got connections in the force)
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Post by ladyvalerie on Aug 26, 2022 17:02:28 GMT
“ The survey also says just 50% of voters who backed the Conservatives in 2019 would vote for a govt led by Liz Truss.” Once she starts distributing free cheese to all those figures will begin to change dramatically. I'm a Lib Dem, but I'd certainly consider switching for a truckle of Wensleydale. You must know the staunch Labour supporter, Chris Keep-yer-hair-on 😎
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Post by steve on Aug 26, 2022 17:33:13 GMT
Little bit of real voting Last night's Beverley Rural (East Riding of Yorkshire) council by-election result: LDEM: 59.4% (+36.0) CON: 34.1% (-10.5) LAB: 6.5% (-5.2) No Grn (-20.4) as prev. Votes cast: 3,277 Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative And here's that GB news poll Westminster voting intention [ft. new pollster]: LAB: 40% CON: 26% LDEM: 11% GRN: 6% REF: 5% via @peoplepolling , 22 Aug Britain Predicts: sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/06/britainpredicts/Tables: peoplepolling.org/tables/202208_
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 26, 2022 17:54:34 GMT
Get up to speed, Stevie boy. I posted that People Polling poll hours ago!
(Mark - have a word, mate. Ta.)
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 26, 2022 18:02:13 GMT
Foakes and Stokes to the rescue this afternoon at Old Trafford.
We need Woakes back soon to make this England team really rhyme!
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Post by mandolinist on Aug 26, 2022 18:21:06 GMT
crossbat11 . Batty, I have had a fabulous afternoon listening to Test Match Special, so glad Radio 4 LW still has it. The rhythm, the cadence, the sheer battiness, the joy when it goes well. Ah lovely. I have been turning my mind to how to deal with the problems faced by those who are on pre-payment meters. It seems obvious really, the supply companies know where every one of those meters are, pre paid cards should be sent to every address with one, and further details requested to ensure that larger families have enough. Those seeking asylum and others who have no access to public funds should automatically get extra help. Simple and relatively cheap I would have thought?
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Post by oldnat on Aug 26, 2022 18:39:54 GMT
crossbat11 . Batty, I have had a fabulous afternoon listening to Test Match Special, so glad Radio 4 LW still has it. The rhythm, the cadence, the sheer battiness, the joy when it goes well. Ah lovely. I have been turning my mind to how to deal with the problems faced by those who are on pre-payment meters. It seems obvious really, the supply companies know where every one of those meters are, pre paid cards should be sent to every address with one, and further details requested to ensure that larger families have enough. Those seeking asylum and others who have no access to public funds should automatically get extra help. Simple and relatively cheap I would have thought? Also households caring for severe medical conditions which require constant electricity for relevant equipment to get cards or cash (as appropriate) - maybe a role for GPs after all?
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Post by mandolinist on Aug 26, 2022 19:21:44 GMT
Yes oldnat, although anyone with a longterm/serious health condition is already registered with supply companies, if they have any sense, as vulnerable. They are therefore protected from disconection in the caase of non-payment. Again the supply companies know where they are. The situation is so serious and urgent that using these databases as a starting point will have to do. Quick and dirty is the only option available after a summer of inaction.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 26, 2022 19:41:38 GMT
crossbat11 . Batty, I have had a fabulous afternoon listening to Test Match Special, so glad Radio 4 LW still has it. The rhythm, the cadence, the sheer battiness, the joy when it goes well. Ah lovely. I have been turning my mind to how to deal with the problems faced by those who are on pre-payment meters. It seems obvious really, the supply companies know where every one of those meters are, pre paid cards should be sent to every address with one, and further details requested to ensure that larger families have enough. Those seeking asylum and others who have no access to public funds should automatically get extra help. Simple and relatively cheap I would have thought? Test Match Special, or TMS to its afficianados, used to be a staple part of the summer for me. A companion on long car journeys or the backdrop to lazy afternoons in the garden during holidays. Maybe at work too if I could sneak a radio in. The heyday for me was the Brian Johnson, Trevor Bailey, Don Mosey and John Arlott era. Fred Trueman grated a bit and I never warmed to Jonathan Agnew very much. It got a bit too self-consciously whimsical and a bit prep school for me to be honest. I also seemed to acquire car radios and portable sets that didn't get Long Wave and I got out of the habit of listening to the treasured programme somewhat. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed listening to it this afternoon though and you've made me think I should give it another listen. At its best, and these recollections may be in danger of straying in to sentimentality and nostalgia for the glorious and seemingly endless summers of my youth, the programme encapsulated the quintessential and quirky charm of cricket, especially the five day game. The slow unfolding of the plot and a wallowing in the game's unique longueurs. Rain interruptions often gave the presenters the opportunity to indulge in long and rambling debates about the game. I found these compulsive listening. They were often agonising discussions about what was wrong with English cricket and what could be done to revive it. Always done affectionately and in the manner of a close family talking about an errant but deeply loved member. Could the game survive was always the mournful and agonising question? But it did and always will. As you witnessed on your radio this afternoon, listening to events at Old Trafford, cricket goes on and has a surprising number of people who love it dearly. A summer in England without our flannelled fools would be a sad and withered place for me.
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 26, 2022 19:56:52 GMT
How did the Liz Truss, "Let's start a war with France" option poll?
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Post by oldnat on Aug 26, 2022 20:02:18 GMT
EU Membership Voting Intention (Wales):
Join: 47%
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 26, 2022 20:04:24 GMT
Noticeable that the English voters are considerably less perturbed by Northern Ireland leaving the union than Scotland or Wales doing so. This does not surprise me. Very interesting set of results all round but probably in line with expectations.
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Post by Danny on Aug 26, 2022 20:17:03 GMT
Was just looking at my energy suppliers website, where it says one of the reasons the standing charge has gone up is because charges for maintenance of the network have been transferred from the unit charge to the standing charge.
Presumably the idea was the more you use, the more wear and tear on the network. not sure that makes sense, so maybe there was a deliberate intent to load more of the charge upon high users. However clearly someone has deliberately decided to revese this, and cut the overall charge on big users in favour of charging small users more. Other things being equal, small users are likely to be poorer?
Does that make any sense just now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 20:25:24 GMT
Maybe being over-optimistic but I sense that - just maybe - the far right in both the USA and the UK (for mercian’s benefit, that means “us”) - are finally starting to overreach themselves. I also feel that Truss may be about to become the most unpopular choice of Prime Minister in our history - so not a great starting point for her with so many problems and, seemingly, so few solutions. Would be interested in other opinions.
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Post by chrisaberavon on Aug 26, 2022 20:43:57 GMT
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I too loved the Third Programme/ Radio Three and then the Long Wave commentary over the years; bit of a life saver for me in my young life. Later on, the TV pics on; sound off; with the Radio Commentary on. Late breakfast. Magic. Barrington, John Arlott. Underwood and Illingworth.
CROFTY. Hello to you. Do you think 'the left' will underestimate Truss and the Tories?
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Post by RAF on Aug 26, 2022 20:51:55 GMT
Maybe being over-optimistic but I sense that - just maybe - the far right in both the USA and the UK (for mercian’s benefit, that means “us”) - are finally starting to overreach themselves. I also feel that Truss may be about to become the most unpopular choice of Prime Minister in our history - so not a great starting point for her with so many problems and, seemingly, so few solutions. Would be interested in other opinions. In the US, I suspect the populist right still has some distance to run. Trump's acolytes are winning most of the Republican Primaries and the White House is a little on the defensive. In the UK, Truss probably represents the true emergence of the US style populist right. She will (we assume) goven the Conservative Q Party. Boris never quite fit this paradigm. His populism wasn't so clearly determined on a left/right basis at all. His post brexit idea of massive infustructure spending to boost the economy could easily have been (and was also) a Corbyn policy. It was only towards the end of his tenure, when his authority was reduced to zero, that we saw the Rwanda and NI Protocol matters reach a head. So in a Way Truss represents the zenith rather than the nadir of untrammelled Q right wing social and economic populism. I agree that it will prove massively unpopular and Truss will not be around long, but the damage caused in her shirt tenure could be catastrophic and irreparable in the medium term.
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Post by peterbell on Aug 26, 2022 21:02:37 GMT
Maybe being over-optimistic but I sense that - just maybe - the far right in both the USA and the UK (for mercian ’s benefit, that means “us”) - are finally starting to overreach themselves. I also feel that Truss may be about to become the most unpopular choice of Prime Minister in our history - so not a great starting point for her with so many problems and, seemingly, so few solutions. Would be interested in other opinions. Crofty - totally agree re the UK. IMO what remains of the one nation Tories will be tarred with the same brush as the Rees Moggs, Truss, Frost, Badenoch , Patel etc and so the whole party will be totally devoid of any reasonable support. As well as the distaste caused by Truss in particular, I noticed in the tables of the recent Delta poll that it was only the 65+ group that showed a majority for Cons (aptly named). I think that the days where people became RoC as they got older are essentially history and therefore in 5 - 10 years times the Cons will be a small minority. I am not so certain about the US. I hope you are right but the right wing Republicans are so extreme (eg 6th Jan) and yet still get massive support with apparently little opposition from the DEMS, particularly re gerrymandering (local authority boundaries etc). I can see the Republicans returning to power and holding on to it for some time to come.
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