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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2022 7:42:11 GMT
A minimum wage job subsidised by in work benefits subsidised by the UK taxpayer. Not sustainable except by the Neo Lib low wage business model we've now left behind. Interesting. So why is government not giving civil servants inflatinon + wage increases, and encouraging train operators, care homes, etc, etc, to do the same? Surely government actual action says it remains all in favour of low wages, but prefers people to starve rather than receive state support? Farage et all would not have accepted the Norway option. It was always possible for conservative MPs to have implemented a Norway style settlement. May had a decent majority, could have done it way back in say 2017. Leavers prevented such a settlement. The Norway option explicitly makes the Uk a client state of the EU. There are only two ways for the Uk not to be a client state of the EU. One is to be a member, and therefore have voting and veto rights as we previously did. The other is to create a new trade position where we have overall control, something like the British empire. As things stand we cannot even rustle up enough missile launchers to help Ukraine, never mind conquer half the world, so the idea we would leave the EU and recreate the British empire- which is at the heart of Brexit - was always impossible. Leavers claimed they would deliver something which is quite impossible as we are now seeing. Leave now like to claim they would have accepted 'Norway', but they never would. It guarantees the UK is a client state with minimum sovereignty. Although it does safeguard the economy to a significant extent, but leavers have always acted as if that doesnt matter at all.
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Post by johntel on Aug 11, 2022 7:43:30 GMT
whereupon the BoE will be blamed for the recession and the Mail and Express will declare the BoE Governor an 'enemy of the people'. He may not be an enemy of the people, but he's clearly incompetent and should be sacked. Even before Ukraine kicked off he'd allowed inflation to get completely out of control.
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Post by steve on Aug 11, 2022 7:55:26 GMT
jib On average European union citizens living in the UK contributed £2300 more a year in taxes than those born here so that discounts the first section of your stereotypically brexitanian response. Secondly I don't know you are right about free movement equals " unlimited immigration" because it doesn't, it's total bollocks. It's a real shame that you still seem unable to accept that you didn't know what you were voting for. Once you are out of the denial stage of brexitanian regret you might have something positive to contribute.
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Post by kay9 on Aug 11, 2022 7:59:02 GMT
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“Moral in the (Conservative) Parliamentary party may well be as low as possible.”
Stuck between two words: ‘morale’ and ‘morals’?
Either would have been correct!
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Post by Danny on Aug 11, 2022 8:11:28 GMT
The focus then will be on the next battle - surviving the CoL crisis and onto the next GE. I bet all this low tax, small state, anti-woke gumph disappears. Sadly this is the state of politics at the moment - visions and principles are so fleeting you could set an egg timer for them! If Sunak wins that is absolutely what will happen. Truss genuinely seems to believe some of the nonsense she says but then U-turns 24 hours later so it is hard to know. If what happens now is a temporary surge of 10% inflation for a couple of years, which then becomes 10% deflation for a couple of years, then this is a temporary crisis which might be managed by billing the national credit card and resorting to those money trees once again to subsidise goods. Although a government doing this for the third international crisis in a row makes you wonder if they have lost their senses.
On the other hand, if at minimum this inflation will not reverse, and at maximum it isnt going away any time soon, then it cannot be tackled by subsidy. 40 years ago we tried to tackle inflation by subsidising industry. That didnt work so well, but at least we werent simply subsidising the purchase of something like expensive energy. You cannot do that for any length of time, you have to have a structural change to the economy to compensate, either diverting more income to those most affected or sharply decrease demand.
So the real options available to con are: 1) bill the national credit card as happening so far. (shame our credit is already over extended. Anyway not a long term solution)
2) raise taxes to subsidise energy. make the rich pay. (Put taxes on rich conservative voters???)
2a) More windfall taxes on energy companies to make them pay. (this ones more likely, but inadequate).
3) national campaign to cut imported energy usage, which has to include subsidies for insulation, restore those stricter building regulations they abolished. also fast track every possible renewables energy project in the UK, again meaning planning rules must be changed very quickly indeed, and electricty transport industry must be required to fast track new infrastruture. (but even the fastest methods will take years for a major impact)
4) Big rise in lower end wages. This will ultimately have to be paid for by cut
in high end wages. (already being resisted by government)
5) Energy rationing (which might help the world energy shortage and therefore lower prices, but limited use in keeping pensioners warm.) 6) Fundamental reform of the energy market, where we stop paying the same price for all energy regardless of its real production costs. I mean, thats kinda insane. 7) Nationalisation of major players. Incidentally, while this crisis is about the privatised energy system in the Uk which has little concern over security of supply, we are just about to have a crisis in the water industry too. Where privatisation has singularly failed to deliver the promised benefits of security of supply and ending leaky pipes. We seem to be seeing the end consequences of the Thatcher privatisation policy, which is failure of those industries to protect the national interest.
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Post by wb61 on Aug 11, 2022 8:11:35 GMT
mercianwhen I read some of your comments they appear so extreme as to be almost parody, however you are consistent in pressing those views. What I read into them is that you have a very depressing view as to the honesty and decency of the bulk of your fellow human beings. Such misanthropic views must arise from somewhere but I am not sure from where. The only thing that I can think of is a sort of negative empathy. This is because I consider most people have standards close to mine, does your view arise from a belief that very few have your standards? Or is that those would be the standards you would uphold if you were in a similar position? Or is there some other reason you seem to think everybody is somehow "on the make"?
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Post by pjw1961 on Aug 11, 2022 8:22:49 GMT
whereupon the BoE will be blamed for the recession and the Mail and Express will declare the BoE Governor an 'enemy of the people'. He may not be an enemy of the people, but he's clearly incompetent and should be sacked. Even before Ukraine kicked off he'd allowed inflation to get completely out of control. I hold no particular candle for the Governor - his comments on workers pay have been both insensitive and odious - but it is hard to see what he could have done about a huge spike in gas and oil prices or the damage inflicted by political decisions such as Brexit. My point really is not exactly who the government and RoC press blame for the current economic mess just that it won't be "Liz" who will represent a wholly new start totally unassociated with the previous 12 (14 by 2024) years of Conservative led governments.
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Post by Mark on Aug 11, 2022 8:27:05 GMT
Truss is someone that has called Sunak a socialist.
She is someone that is fine with and seems to support 'conversion therapy'.
Someone that has used the perjorative word 'handouts' in regard to government help on rising fuel bills.
Someone that sets hrself out as decidedly 'anti-woke'.
While it is correct that both her and Sunak are playing to the tory mebership gallery, they both know damn well that they can be heard by everyone and that many are listening.
Come the next general election, IMO, it is virtually certain that a Truss government will campaign heavily on hot-button/cultural issues. Probably even more than Johnson did.
Johnson used his persona to partially mask his nastiness, for example his now famous 'spaff' comment. Whilst the nastiness was barely hidden, there was also an element of "isn't he a card / isn't he funny / he's a clown/buffoon". Let's face it, no other politician would have got away with that - delibarate - choice of phrase.
Truss would play on such issues more, Johnson is more about false boosterism, but hasn't got Johnson's persona to partially hide behind. She has already proved that she is more than willing to go there - and more to the point, without a huge sea change, a Truss government in 2024 will have little or nothing else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 8:47:39 GMT
Don't forget that Truss and Sunack are fighting an election with a very small, specific set of voters right now. As soon as it's done, the rhetoric will change and they'll drift away from the loony right (I do question whether they need to be there in the first place). The focus then will be on the next battle - surviving the CoL crisis and onto the next GE. I bet all this low tax, small state, anti-woke gumph disappears. Sadly this is the state of politics at the moment - visions and principles are so fleeting you could set an egg timer for them! I wish I shared your optimism. The Republicans started courting the fundamentalists back in the 1980s, as they represented a bloc who could be relied upon to vote for your side when prompted (a trend continued so much that the fundies could explain away Trump's complete lack of anything they upheld by claiming "but he'll do what we want"). In the same way, the anti-LBGTQ brigade are a small group, but very vocal, and can mobilise those small numbers to bombard the media claiming they are being "silenced" (and hence are forcing those same media outlets to silence any opposing point of view). Once groups like that have been courted and relied upon for the politicians to gain power, it becomes a short step before the politician is beholden to them, and thus has to enact that group's agenda, or risk losing future support. Hence, I genuinely do not see all the low tax, anti-woke gumph disappearing once the leadership battle is over. Trump enabled and emboldened the extremists in the US (leading to January 6th insurrection). I can see Truss doing the same here.
You describe the USA very well but I think here it's different. There isn't enough of a fundamentalist movement and what there is certainly doesn't automatically support the Conservative party - least of all pay for membership and campaign for them. The Tory membership is still made up of old crusties/blue rinsers and a handful of ambitious councillors. I see no evidence of a Momentum/Tea Party -style takeover, even a small one.
So while recent leaders may dog-whistle certain sections of the electorate (as they've always done - "Are you thinking what we're thinking?") I don't think these voters are loyal to any particular party in the way they are in the US (36m and 47m voters registered for the Republicans and Democrats respectively). Yes, the Tories have successfully picked up many of these people from UKIP/BXT/Reform/BNP etc on a temporary basis but it's far from a long-term strategy and I think for every one of these voters attracted by a far-right Tory dog whistle, at least one is lost.
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Post by robbiealive on Aug 11, 2022 8:51:38 GMT
I see TP shows the original Quatermass TV series, which brought back memories. I was about 9 years old when Quatermass and the Pit was first shown. A neighbour my mother knew well had a TV set (quite rare still in those days, particularly on a Council estate) and we would be regularly invited to watch. Quatermass must have had an impact on me as 60 odd years later it is the only TV show from that time I can now remember watching. If TP broadcast the Pit series, I will watch again, probably from behind the sofa once more! Your cup runneth over, as TP is showing Quatermass 2 as I type. The 1957 film version with Brian Donlevy and Sid James! The original TV series with Andre Morell used to be on the BBC iPlayer I think. Q2 is surprisingly watchable. [b I wasn't allowed to watch Quatermass as it was too late on a Sunday? I think I hv just about got over the disappointment. Donlevy was a film favourite of mine. Tough fast-talking guy with a touch of humour. Like Cagney -- my hero-- he never got the girl.
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Post by crossbat11 on Aug 11, 2022 8:58:59 GMT
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Some of mercian's posts are reasonable expressions of centre-right political thinking but quite a few of them, maybe the late at night ones, seem to be vainglorious, agent provocateur type attempts to offend and outrage. Dressed up in unconvincing self declared irony.
My cod psychological diagnosis is that Mercian perceives himself on occasions as the forum's lone and courageous centre right warrior. Under seige but still firing shots. The brave mouse V signing the on-swooping bird of prey.
Basking in the glow of a sort of self endowed heroism.
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Post by robbiealive on Aug 11, 2022 9:01:24 GMT
jib Single market membership doesn't involve " unlimited European immigration " it involves no immigration at all but freedom of movement subject to ability to support yourself. You voted to end it for UK citizens six years ago and you still apparently are as clueless now as to what you were voting for as you were then. Yes it does, and you know it. A minimum wage job subsidised by in work benefits subsidised by the UK taxpayer. Not sustainable except by the Neo Lib low wage business model we've now left behind. G. Brown appears to be leading Labour policy on "the crisis": supposedly co-ordinated with the Labour leadership. Meanwhile if Truss -- stumbling from U-turn to U-turn as if hellbent on sabotaging her own campaign -- does win despite her best efforts not to, we will have the most right-wing government in recent times: complete with a hard core of the religious right We remainers did warn the leavers that Brexit would lead to a major lurch to the Right in Brit politics. Pity they didn't listen, or maybe this is what they wanted. Who knows blue nose? Pity they didn't listen? Pity the Remainiac establishment didn't listen more like. It is they who poisoned the well and facilitated the imbecile Johnson to grab power. It is they who refused to compromise when "perfectly civilised transition" to Norway+ could have been achieved. Stop trying to shift the blame for 3 years of political duplicity that blew up spectacularly in the faces of Remainers. Live with it. No compromise = hard Brexit. People who voted Brexit led by Johnson caused Brexit n those who voted Johnson caused Johnson. I can't help it if people were too dim to see he was a charlatan or that the forelock-tugging Brits defer to public-school Tory toffs whose interests bizarrely they mistake for their own. Maybe one day they will grow up. I think you would be better-off considering the role of Gina Miller n the courts
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Post by shevii on Aug 11, 2022 9:05:58 GMT
Newsnight last night focused on the story - not, apparently, untypical - of a woman with terminal stage 4 cancer, now with 2 years to live, after delays in treatment caused a treatable cancer to spread beyond the point of no return. The pressure on the NHS from years of underfunding and the mad idea to let covid rip creating what one contributor to the programme, a top cancer expert, described as "a complete disaster". Then this morning the news is full of the report by the inspector of the police service that victims of theft and burglary are being let down by the police, who are effectively failing to investigate. And alongside this, we have the continued sight of Gordon Brown, the PM from 12 years ago, laying out a detailed package of proposals to tackle the energy crisis, set against the near total silence of the present shower in No 10 and the wider Conservative Party. Brown shows us what a real Prime Minister looks like, something the country has, I think, largely forgotten. No effective cancer treatment, no police support, no leadership. Hard to escape the sense that the country has literally pretty much fallen apart. Not to disagree with your state of the nation summary but wheeling out Gordon Brown as a semi freelancer, whatever liaising he may or may not be doing with the Labour leadership, doesn't seem like an adequate response from Labour. I'd also have some scepticism for whether his plan makes a lot of practical sense. Temporarily nationalising the energy suppliers to negotiate a better deal with the energy producers seems quite convoluted and not certain to succeed any better than simple further windfall taxes on excess profits or indeed the nationalisation promised during the leadership election. The Tories are reportedly meeting with the energy producers, presumably with the aim of achieving the same thing by reading the riot act (assuming they do actually care about this). And again, on this temporarily renationalising of energy suppliers, while it may not be their fault that they have to pay the going rate to producers, isn't this another example of the privatised system not functioning and privatising the profit and nationalising the debt? Privatisation hasn't worked. It may be too costly to renationalise energy producers but at least there could be some commitment that within the renewables plan this starts in public hands rather than government offering subsidies to private companies to do the same thing. Trevor Warne was always on about the message it might send to "global investors" if we start nationalising without paying market rate for shares or windfall taxes but I think we should bite the bullet on this, especially as if we are serious about net zero then we don't need further investment in gas and oil from these companies. It's a specific nationalisation for a specific crisis where the excess profits far exceed the reward for investing in a sure winner in the first place. Also from an electoral point of view, Brown, as the figurehead, is not fighting the next election so could be seen in the same context as John Major making an intervention. Starmer may be on holiday but this has been coming for some time and Labour should already have worked the policy for release at the most appropriate time to make voters pay attention. The TV interviewers are having an easy time interviewing Labour politicians- where's Starmer? When are you going to put forward your proposals? Why aren't you nationalising the energy companies when you said you would? If anyone were listening to the Lib Dems these days, Ed Davey would be making a killing this week on voting intention.
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Post by somerjohn on Aug 11, 2022 9:18:48 GMT
Re Quatermass: As an 8-year old I was thrilled and terrified in equal measure by Quatermass and the Pit. A few images have stuck with me ever since: the unscrewing of the access hatch; the tripod creatures seemingly mummified; a terrified man prostrate on a churchyard gravel path, rippling and heaving under him; the cups and dishes on a tea stall jumping and shattering; the blimpish Colonel Breen slowly self-immolating; connecting a TV to show the creatures' folk-memories of Mars. But a few years ago I got hold of a DVD of the series, which was probably a mistake as those scenes didn't seem half as terrifying as I (mis)remembered them. And also, there was loads of dreary footage of committee meetings and administrative dithering that I'd completely blanked out.
For at least six months after the original showing, I refused to have my bedroom window open at night.
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Post by isa on Aug 11, 2022 9:48:35 GMT
Your cup runneth over, as TP is showing Quatermass 2 as I type. The 1957 film version with Brian Donlevy and Sid James! The original TV series with Andre Morell used to be on the BBC iPlayer I think. Q2 is surprisingly watchable. [b I wasn't allowed to watch Quatermass as it was too late on a Sunday? I think I hv just about got over the disappointment. Donlevy was a film favourite of mine. Tough fast-talking guy with a touch of humour. Like Cagney -- my hero-- he never got the girl. Donlevy was certainly a very hissable baddie, particularly memorable in the wonderful tragi-comic musical western Destry Rides Again. Re Cagney, you obviously haven't seen Footlight Parade for a while .
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Post by alec on Aug 11, 2022 9:52:57 GMT
shevii - yes, agreed. This isn't a great advert for Labour either. On the substance of the issue. I think that we need to start thinking differently about enterprises like energy, water, railways etc. They aren't really private sector industries, in the sense that they have to operate within tightly regulated sectors, in a way that other industries don't have to and market competition provides more of a discipline. So I think holding to the line that these are private sector companies is somewhat misleading - we should think of them differently. One idea I've been toying with is whether government could issue long bonds for such critical infrastructure companies, providing investors with lower but more secure returns, with the bonds then used to fund the industries in return for the interest paid and a small premium/profit share on top. In my thinking, the companies wouldn't need to be driven by the profit principle so much, as they have access to finance so don't need to drive up dividends, governments retain more control over investment priorities, and can require more attention is paid to lower return but essential investment for climate change and other purposes, with the transaction remaining effectively neutral on the government books but retaining any advantages from arms-reach private sector operators. I'm not expert in finance, so don't know whether this would work, but I see an across-the-board issue with privatised industries claiming they need to keep shareholders happy to maintain access to capital, but if that capital was provided in a secure way at lower cost, that perceived need falls away. Whether this is a viable idea I don't know, but like somerjohn's idea of a levy on treated water entering the distribution system, with an equivalent refund when water is delivered to the consumer, new ideas like this are needed to move away from the current problems without wholesale nationalisation, which isn't guaranteed t fix anything.
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Post by isa on Aug 11, 2022 9:56:24 GMT
Re Quatermass: As an 8-year old I was thrilled and terrified in equal measure by Quatermass and the Pit. A few images have stuck with me ever since: the unscrewing of the access hatch; the tripod creatures seemingly mummified; a terrified man prostrate on a churchyard gravel path, rippling and heaving under him; the cups and dishes on a tea stall jumping and shattering; the blimpish Colonel Breen slowly self-immolating; connecting a TV to show the creatures' folk-memories of Mars. But a few years ago I got hold of a DVD of the series, which was probably a mistake as those scenes didn't seem half as terrifying as I (mis)remembered them. And also, there was loads of dreary footage of committee meetings and administrative dithering that I'd completely blanked out.
For at least six months after the original showing, I refused to have my bedroom window open at night.
The 1967 film version of Quatermass and the Pit, with Andrew Keir and James Donald, is quite faithful to the original and is very well done. It also often appears on TP. I should be on commission with them!
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2022 10:10:38 GMT
[b I wasn't allowed to watch Quatermass as it was too late on a Sunday? I think I hv just about got over the disappointment. Donlevy was a film favourite of mine. Tough fast-talking guy with a touch of humour. Like Cagney -- my hero-- he never got the girl. Donlevy was certainly a very hissable baddie, particularly memorable in the wonderful tragi-comic musical western Destry Rides Again. Re Cagney, you obviously haven't seen Footlight Parade for a while . Funnily my most memorable Dr Who era baddie was Philip Madoc in Daleks: Invasion Earth 2150 a film which made a big impact on my ability to get to sleep at nights!
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Post by wb61 on Aug 11, 2022 10:13:06 GMT
Re: Fear
It was Dr Who for me too, the episodes with the yeti and those cobweb type things with mists in the London Underground, cushions to the face on a regular basis!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 10:16:40 GMT
Trigger warnings Aren't films rated by suitability, u-r18 etc This? The tv announcer saying the next program might contain scenes that could upset some viewers? I like the warning that comes up saying “This film contains language.”
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2022 10:20:20 GMT
whereupon the BoE will be blamed for the recession and the Mail and Express will declare the BoE Governor an 'enemy of the people'. He may not be an enemy of the people, but he's clearly incompetent and should be sacked. Even before Ukraine kicked off he'd allowed inflation to get completely out of control. The Governor only has one vote on the panel that sets interest rates. If the other 8 members of the panel had disagreed with him they would have voted through earlier interest rate rises. In fact, you could argue that they were almost all 'asleep at the wheel', because before the rises there were at most one or two in favour of a 0.25% rise, and no-one in favour of the 0.5% or 0.75% rises that we saw in the USA.
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Post by bardin1 on Aug 11, 2022 10:21:05 GMT
Trigger warnings Aren't films rated by suitability, u-r18 etc This? The tv announcer saying the next program might contain scenes that could upset some viewers? I like the warning that comes up saying “This film contains language.” Teach you for watching Talking Pictures To avoid this you can watch the Not Talking Pictures channel, otherwise known as 'In the huff'
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Post by leftieliberal on Aug 11, 2022 10:40:39 GMT
Trigger warnings Aren't films rated by suitability, u-r18 etc This? The tv announcer saying the next program might contain scenes that could upset some viewers? I like the warning that comes up saying “This film contains language.” It was interesting to see the warning sticker that "That's TV" put on their showings of "Monty Python's Flying Circus". "This programme reflects the standards, language and attitudes of its time. Some viewers may find this content offensive." It struck me that the best parts of Monty Python came in the second half of the of the first series and through the second series. The "argument" sketch was a high point of the third series.
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Post by isa on Aug 11, 2022 10:43:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 10:53:47 GMT
But Islam is not monolithic. It has many different traditions. Sunni and Shia most obviously, but even within those major divisions there any many sub-sects with different views. The difference between a Wahabist and a Sufi are vast (the former would probably not even regard the latter as a Muslim). Surveys of Muslims' opinions show a diverse range of views on a variety of issues. Pretending that all Muslims are identical is the first step to saying that they all support terrorism, and that is the problem with Phillips statement. He certainly sent rather mixed messages. But only if one, imo, is really desperate to find them. The statement which Warsi objected to can't really be disconnected from Phillips' 2016 statement in The Times that " the reference to the creation of a “nation within a nation” is not to Muslims as a whole, but to a significant minority and that the ( C4) documentary acknowledged the diversity amongst British Muslims." ( wiki) Someone like Phillips who tries to cut through taboo & censorship , is always going to be pounced on by those searching for offence. He has spoken of the need "allow people to offend each other" and that statement itself will find offence taken somewhere or other. Look-Im not going to defend any suggestion that all British Muslims support the Islamist atrocities committed in this country. And I don't believe for one moment that Phillips thinks that. There are surveys in the public domain which show the extent of such sympathy. But I am going to continue with my respect for a man who I believe has done much service to the cause of free speech and a cohesive society in this country. Actually in France too-where he was awarded the Chevalier de la Légion d'Honneur. for services to their government on "inequality, race and powerlessness" ( wiki) A final thought-looking quickly through the history , the C4 documentary, and the LP suspension were at a time when not only the sexual grooming offences , but the awful attacks in London and Manchester occurred. Is is it too much to hope that with the assassination of Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Maher al-Agal, this year, the warped religious doctrine with which they enmeshed young muslims might be on the wane. ?
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Post by moby on Aug 11, 2022 11:02:13 GMT
And I think any attempt to roll back LGBTQ support is going to see some high profile defections to the LibDems. Are you saying the LibDems are a bunch of woofters more likely to be of that persuasion? 🤣 This is just pure bigotry.
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Post by alec on Aug 11, 2022 11:04:13 GMT
isa - "The dizzying upward spiral in energy bills becomes ever more horrific. Next stop £5k p.a. Obviously completely unaffordable and unsustainable for huge swathes of the population. Something pretty dramatic by way of mitigation needed pronto. Even then, the coming months will be hugely difficult for most people." I heard a Labour spokesperson yesterday sensibly talking about maintaining and enhancing aggressive energy efficiency measures aimed at the least well off, suggesting that this offers permanent relief from energy bills alongside obvious climate change benefits. I find it utterly staggering that we have such and incompetent party of government that six months into this crisis, they appear transfixed with stupid tax cuts, and cannot see one of the obvious solutions right in front of their noses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 11:04:29 GMT
Some more answers to colin 's question about who is waging the war: An interesting response to The Times FOI search. It implies the acceptability of a de minimis for censorship of books in a University Literature faculty. One the two is a Pulitzer Prize winner about slavery. "removed permanently" from reading lisrts because of its "graphic depiction of violence and abuse". The very content which the Pulitzer judges commended. For the record Times sent nearly 300 FOI requests to 140 officials. Unfortunately they dont report the response rate. But they know from social medias posts that some professors said "fuck off" to them. 1081 trigger warnings were disclosed. I' don't think you and I will agree on the significance of these disclosures. And I dont think that surprises either of us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 11:04:44 GMT
mercian when I read some of your comments they appear so extreme as to be almost parody, however you are consistent in pressing those views. What I read into them is that you have a very depressing view as to the honesty and decency of the bulk of your fellow human beings. Such misanthropic views must arise from somewhere but I am not sure from where. The only thing that I can think of is a sort of negative empathy. This is because I consider most people have standards close to mine, does your view arise from a belief that very few have your standards? Or is that those would be the standards you would uphold if you were in a similar position? Or is there some other reason you seem to think everybody is somehow "on the make"? Well said WB. My own theory is that ole Pete is a frustrated hippy who didn’t have the courage to live a life of freedom, so utterly resents all those scroungers who choose not to work and then live the life of Riley with free housing and massive benefits** - paid for by the likes of him - a family man wot did “the right thing.” (The alternative isn’t so pleasant.) ** For lefty’s benefit that bit was parody.
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Post by moby on Aug 11, 2022 11:10:17 GMT
Kudos to your family for working hard and I am sure paying their way as did and do millions of others, but there is no onus on legal immigrants having to work, and they are entitled to benefits, use of the NHS and so on. So those who don't work, or who work off the grid have no right to benefits (IMO). If immigrants are legal, they are then entitled to the same rights as a UK citizen, that will include benefits and use of the NHS etc. Do you think UK citizens who work off the grid should have no right to benefits or do you think that UK citizens are a superior species who would never do something dishonest like working off grid?
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