8-Dec-2021 : LAB: 40 / CON: 34 / LDEM: 10 / GRN: 4

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I’d like to wish everyone here a good xmas and a happy and health 2022.

(And, in the words of Santa and Band Aid, don’t forget to say a prayer for the other ones ..... especially those without a hope or a home.)

Paul and the girls

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Dec 23, 2021 21:00:28 GMT @crofty said:

I’d like to wish everyone here a good xmas and a happy and health 2022.

(And, in the words of Santa and Band Aid, don’t forget to say a prayer for the other ones ..... especially those without a hope or a home.)

Paul and the girls

You too Paul (and the girls).  Nice sentiment.  Happy Christmas all.

[Deleted]

Dec 23, 2021 15:56:47 GMT steve said:

Cross-Channel asylum seekers could be tagged under Home Office plans

"I'm a little despot, short and stout,
See my jackboots! Hear me shout!"

That is a priti dreadful thing to write about a very nice lady (maybe very slightly stout, yes, but so wot?) and deffo NOT in the crissmuss spirit this forum should be trying to engender.

[Deleted]

I like the “like” facility in our new premises but am wondering if a “boooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” facility could also be added?

(Maybe after crissmuss.)

Paul

[steamdrivenandy]

Silly management ideas aren't confined to the NHS. Back in the 90's I was a regional manager for the payment card acquisition arm of one of the major banks. It was decided to computerise the merchant account opening process for our field sales force. My boss had no real experience of computers and decided that because our 50 strong sales force had little experience of computers too, the system would have to have screen based data entry as well as keyboard. This involved additional cost for screen enabled laptops and additional software work. In addition the guys had to carry printers around to produce completed agreements, whereas previously they had pre printed agreements which just had to enter customer name, charges, floor limit and get signed.
After a couple of years my boss took early retirement and I took over his responsibilities on the project. By that time the laptops and printers had been purchased and the software was in final testing. The system was launched, hardly anyone used the screen entry facility and most tried the printer but quickly reverted to pre printed agreements.
One man's personal preferences delayed the project and increased the costs involved.

[barbara]

Dec 23, 2021 21:00:28 GMT @crofty said:

I’d like to wish everyone here a good xmas and a happy and health 2022.

(And, in the words of Santa and Band Aid, don’t forget to say a prayer for the other ones ..... especially those without a hope or a home.)

Paul and the girls

And to you Crofty, and to everyone else. May it be happy, peaceful and Covid free.
From Barbara and George (the 🐈) 

[steamdrivenandy]

Christmas wishes to all UKPRer's from SDA Towers. Junior SDR has been rescued from his eerie above Manc docklands with his dearly beloved. Miss Pippin sends best wishes to the girls, whilst lying beside Mrs SDA on the sofa opposite. Now it's all down to jigsaws.

[alec]

oldnat - "Pedantry has strict rules, and it is as unwise for an amateur like yourself to pass commentary on the sport...."

To be completely pendantic, pedantry is a pastime, not a sport.

You of all people should know that, sureley?

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Dec 23, 2021 22:04:06 GMT alec said:

oldnat - "Pedantry has strict rules, and it is as unwise for an amateur like yourself to pass commentary on the sport...."

To be completely pendantic, pedantry is a pastime, not a sport.

You of all people should know that, sureley?

To be completely pedantic if you wish to be completely pendantic then surely necklaces and such-like should form the bulk of the conversation?

[Deleted]

Hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THREE STAR GENERAL and a FULL member !!!!!!!!!!!

(Now to check the rule book for me perks.)

[crossbat11]

My Christmas message to all those who patronise UKPR2

There's no need for harmful.............................................

Cont/..on Page 94

[oldnat]

Dec 23, 2021 22:04:06 GMT alec said:

oldnat - "Pedantry has strict rules, and it is as unwise for an amateur like yourself to pass commentary on the sport...."

To be completely pendantic, pedantry is a pastime, not a sport.

You of all people should know that, sureley?

Don't call me Shirley - especially when you can't spell it!

[Deleted]

R&W asked several additional questions that didn't make the 'copy+paste' in my earlier post which only pasted over the main finding.

On What does 'learning to live with the virus mean':

Adjusting to a lifestyle mostly different from before the pandemic: 52%
Returning to a lifestyle mostly similar to before the pandemic: 48%

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Mostly different/similar is pretty vague so they asked more 'specifics' and the top 5 seem very reasonable, low cost (in £ or 'social' terms) but high impact. I'd personally add vaccine passports (mostly as that seems to increase vaccine uptake in countries that are using them) but that is 7th with 42% (unclear how many DKs and hence whether or not that is plurality, previous polling has generally shown high support for vaccine passports). It's a shame they lumped restaurants and school closures in the same response but I didn't write the questions!

In the unlikely event anyone from R&W is reading this then would it possible to go back to posting the tables for all polling (eg so folks can see how many DKs in some of the responses and hence net figures)

[bantams]

Dec 23, 2021 22:26:21 GMT oldnat said:

Dec 23, 2021 22:04:06 GMT alec said:

oldnat - "Pedantry has strict rules, and it is as unwise for an amateur like yourself to pass commentary on the sport...."

To be completely pendantic, pedantry is a pastime, not a sport.

You of all people should know that, sureley?

Don't call me Shirley - especially when you can't spell it!

Weekend name perhaps? 😉

[Deleted]

Dec 23, 2021 22:21:39 GMT crossbat11 said:

My Christmas message to all those who patronise UKPR2

There's no need for harmful.............................................

Cont/..on Page 94

Hi Junior! Not got the hang of things yet?

[Deleted]

and since it's polling related then Ben Walker with polling and a write-up:

Would the British public support another lockdown?
After the vaccine roll-out, voters are less fearful of catching coronavirus and more sceptical of new restrictions.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/polling/2021/12/would-the-british-public-support-another-lockdown

NB I don't agree with all his conclusions of the polling but I've previously commented on the 'low(er) compliance' issue (aka 'behavioural fatigue) and how with knowledge that Omicron is less severe then adherence is likely to drop and in some places lead to more extreme forms of non-compliance (eg rioting we've seen in some places), so his final section is worth quoting in full:

'..a lockdown isn’t a public policy designed to win a particular set of votes in a particular set of marginal seats. It’s not party politics. It doesn’t need 50 per cent-plus support. It needs complete compliance from the country at large to work.

The data today suggests we live in a country that might not do that'

So huge socio-economic cost for something that probably wouldn't work and would simply drag out the Omicron wave. No thanks (n=1)! Be interesting to see if future 'lockdown' polling tips to net opposed and whether or not that helps CON VI? (eg some of the CON'19s DKs respecting CON HMG not over reacting which in part was also due to the rapid booster shot roll out, huge amount of testing and rapid approval of treatments from MHRA)

[alec]

@crofty - you got me.

[crossbat11]

Dec 23, 2021 22:40:04 GMT @crofty said:

Dec 23, 2021 22:21:39 GMT crossbat11 said:

My Christmas message to all those who patronise UKPR2

There's no need for harmful.............................................

Cont/..on Page 94

Hi Junior! Not got the hang of things yet?

I wouldn't want to be a Full Member of a club that would you have a Full Member.

[alec]

Just posted on the covid thread, but folks might like to know that hospital admissions in London in the week to the 19th (the latest data available) have increased by 41%. Cases in London rose by a factor of 2.6 between week to 11th and the week to the 18th, but none of that increase will have shown yet in the admissions data.

I'm still scratching my head wondering why so many people are thinking Omicron is nothing to worry about.

The London data currently suggests a tidal wave of admissions is coming.

[crossbat11]

I wouldn't want to be a Full Member of a club that would have you as a Full Member.

Correction.

[Deleted]

Dec 23, 2021 22:56:20 GMT crossbat11 said:

I wouldn't want to be a Full Member of a club that would have you as a Full Member.

Correction.

Bit rude for crissmuss. Especially from a junior to a FULL member.

[mandolinist]

I hope you all have a decent festive time. My plans have been scuppered by all the grandchildren and their parents testing positive for covid over the last week, so me and Mr Mandolin are having a quiet duet.....well once the mandolin and the flute get put away it will be quieter!

[oldnat]

Dec 23, 2021 22:44:37 GMT @tw said:

'..a lockdown isn’t a public policy designed to win a particular set of votes in a particular set of marginal seats. It’s not party politics. It doesn’t need 50 per cent-plus support. It needs complete compliance from the country at large to work.

The data today suggests we live in a country that might not do that'

I see the term "lockdown" (which initially described only a legal requirement to stay at home other than for certain permissible activities) now being used reasonably widely to describe any public health interventions or advice to limit the spread of the virus.

Drawing public policy conclusions from polling, where the respondents may interpret the meaning of a term in myriad different ways, would be unwise.

The assertion that any public health restriction requires "complete compliance from the country at large to work" seems to be over extreme. What these measures require is for sufficient of the relevant sections of the public to buy into the policy for it to meet the public health aims.

In any polity, the willingness of the public to accept/tolerate the requirements of government are both shaped by and rely on, the level of trust in that government.

The author of that statement may well "live in a country that might not do that". Which "country" that is is unstated, but if it's in the Spectator, I'd guess England, and that isn't my polity.

[bantams]

Dec 23, 2021 22:56:20 GMT crossbat11 said:

I wouldn't want to be a Full Member of a club that would have you as a Full Member.

Correction.

I made the same mistake & then realised you can edit the original without resorting to posting a second time correcting the error.

[oldnat]

Dec 23, 2021 23:01:24 GMT mandolinist said:

I hope you all have a decent festive time. My plans have been scuppered by all the grandchildren and their parents testing positive for covid over the last week, so me and Mr Mandolin are having a quiet duet.....well once the mandolin and the flute get put away it will be quieter!

Ouch! That's hard.

We have fingers crossed for all the LFD tests on Xmas morning. My son and family are now in their Glasgow accommodation, 24 hours after leaving home in USA, and Day 2 tests tomorrow. All being well, We'll have all of our immediate family together, for the first time in 3 and a half years, on the 25th and right through till Aul Eel (Old Yule / Twelfth Night).

[steve]

Alec
You are mistaken about admissions
.Admissions can occur as early as 3-5 days after first symptoms and diagnosis the average is around ten days.
Consequently you would expect a significant surge  the increase is entirely consistent with the around 70% lower hospitalization rate indicated.
Try not to frighten yourself .

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Dec 23, 2021 23:05:30 GMT bantams said:

Dec 23, 2021 22:56:20 GMT crossbat11 said:

I wouldn't want to be a Full Member of a club that would have you as a Full Member.

Correction.

I made the same mistake & then realised you can edit the original without resorting to posting a second time correcting the error.

Yes, it’s a mistake that a lot of juniors make.

[steve]

Crofty

You get to use the executive toilet roll on Tuesdays Thursdays and alternate Saturdays.

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Dec 23, 2021 23:49:02 GMT steve said:

Crofty

You get to use the executive toilet roll on Tuesdays Thursdays and alternate Saturdays.

Would that include Rosie and Daisie?

Daisie would like to meet your cats by the way.

[Deleted]

Anecdotally, I’m seeing a lot more people that I personally know with positive covid tests recently. My daughter and several friends or kids of friends. Lots of scrapped get togethers. That hasn’t really happened up until now for me. Probably just luck but it adds to the feeling that this wave is big. Mostly people I know haven’t been seriously ill but I heard today a guy I used to work with just died. On the booster front I had mine on the 21st and didn’t have any symptoms worth moaning about. I feel lucky compared to what a lot of others have suffered. Take care all.