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Post by alec on Jan 8, 2022 15:41:16 GMT
Also interesting to note that among the talk of omicron being super mild, we now have the latest excess deaths data from South Africa. These show that excess deaths in December were 131% of the expected rate, and the Covid Actuaries group point out that the last time the UK excess deaths were this bad was in w/e 5th Feb 2021.
No further explanation given by the SA authorities, but something was killing lots of people there in December.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 8, 2022 15:46:26 GMT
Polling on the Colston 4 verdict, note a larger partisan bias than the polling from when the statue was taken down: @tw Hi, thanks for sharing. Did they ask to what extent people actually cared? |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 15:54:57 GMT
Attachment DeletedI've just realised that Robbie and Crofty obviously share some lineage with our dogs, the breed is bearded collies and, sadly, my own efforts at emulation were pitiful.
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Post by mandolinist on Jan 8, 2022 15:55:33 GMT
Polling on the Colston 4 verdict, note a larger partisan bias than the polling from when the statue was taken down: I am not sure anyone who was not in the courtroom for the whole case could answer this question. I might be pleased that they were found not not guilty, but would have to answer don't know, because I do not have all the necessary information. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:01:20 GMT
The Colston statuegate responses are as expected. Disappointed with Lib Dem’s though.
Don’t know enough about the details of the case to comment myself as to the law and the jury’s understanding of it via the judge.
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 8, 2022 16:03:43 GMT
Steamdriven. My Avatar is Pete Seeger, put there for Crofty's benefit. He was of course a long-time victim of MacCarthyism (Seeger not Crofty) but lived to fight another day.
As for changes in UKPolling: it's the old game of Change & Continuity: tho few I imagine mourn the loss of the Alec-TW spats. Nevertheless, 12 oldies contribute half the posts.
The most prolific poster is T Pratchett: he appears several times on every page.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:04:19 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> I've just realised that Robbie and Crofty obviously share some lineage with our dogs, the breed is bearded collies and, sadly, my own efforts at emulation were pitiful. Do you know Bryony Harcourt-Brown who wrote books on those little rascals. Also a top international judge and breeder during her career and lives in Northumberland. Got our first Afghan Hound from her Mum in the early ‘70s. Haven’t seen one for years now. |
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2022 16:12:56 GMT
alec Given that over 2000 people were murdered in south Africa in December alone up 8.5% on the previous year it's a reasonable assumption that considerably more South Africans were dying as a result of being killed by other South Africans than from covid, ( more than three times as many according to the official figures) People under 25 in South Africa are 1500 times more likely to have died via homicide than covid. It's a truly tragic situation in a country with such potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:18:46 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> I've just realised that Robbie and Crofty obviously share some lineage with our dogs, the breed is bearded collies and, sadly, my own efforts at emulation were pitiful. Do you know Bryony Harcourt-Brown who wrote books on those little rascals. Also a top international judge and breeder during her career and lives in Northumberland. Got our first Afghan Hound from her Mum in the early ‘70s. Haven’t seen one for years now. Afghan hounds - not Mums. |
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Post by mercian on Jan 8, 2022 16:27:54 GMT
The UK used to laugh at other countries with their politicians in made up uniforms and medals, their military marches with flags and anthems. We prided ourselves on our understated confidence, we didn't need all that nonsense to make us feel patriotic pride. We didn'thave to resort to constant assertions that everythingwe did was 'world beating'. Whatever happened to us? Women's Suffrage 😄 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:29:41 GMT
Reporters must sometimes think, "why me?" Laura Trevelyan's turn this time. Enjoy: Love the bloke laughing (cameraman?) in the background. Was that ole Donald chucking a snowball from the side? He’s always been good for a laugh hasn’t he? |
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Post by barbara on Jan 8, 2022 16:31:18 GMT
The UK used to laugh at other countries with their politicians in made up uniforms and medals, their military marches with flags and anthems. We prided ourselves on our understated confidence, we didn't need all that nonsense to make us feel patriotic pride. We didn'thave to resort to constant assertions that everythingwe did was 'world beating'. Whatever happened to us? Women's Suffrage 😄 Well thank goodness for that! 😆😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:31:41 GMT
Steamdriven. My Avatar is Pete Seeger, put there for Crofty's benefit. He was of course a long-time victim of MacCarthyism (Seeger not Crofty) but lived to fight another day. I think you understate what I went through during those dark days Robbie |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 16:32:05 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> I've just realised that Robbie and Crofty obviously share some lineage with our dogs, the breed is bearded collies and, sadly, my own efforts at emulation were pitiful. Do you know Bryony Harcourt-Brown who wrote books on those little rascals. Also a top international judge and breeder during her career and lives in Northumberland. Got our first Afghan Hound from her Mum in the early ‘70s. Haven’t seen one for years now. We've read her books Crofty, though my personal preference is for Suzanne Moorhouse's 'Talking about Beardies'. We showed our Jack (Breaksea Jumpin' Jack Flash) between '06 and '08 and as a puppy he came fifth in the Puppy Dog class at Crufts but eventually we grew tired of all the travelling. Now Miss Pippin is our final beardie and like all of them is a special character. This video says it all www.youtube.com/watch?v=34tQ977-8R0&t=1s |
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Post by mercian on Jan 8, 2022 16:40:21 GMT
I hear this term 'patriarchy' quite a lot without quite knowing what it means. Well from your description I don't think I'll bother reading it. There are of course societal norms which have evolved over time and continue to do so. This is probably in the direction you want. An example that springs to mind is the wearing of ties in formal situations including the office, where not to do so could damage promotion prospects at one time, even if it was tolerated at all. Now in my experience it's almost the exception. As an aside, I have a formal photograph of my great-great grandfather which my grandmother refused to have on show because he wasn't wearing a tie. I later discovered that the modern sort of tie hadn't even been invented when the picture was taken! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 16:42:09 GMT
Lovely video Andy - but have you considered that the reason they get on well with other animals is because they can’t see what they are?
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Post by jimjam on Jan 8, 2022 16:45:33 GMT
Little Toby McCarthy was a rascal in Barnard Castle with knock and run and Crofty may well have been a frequent victim over a long time!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 17:00:10 GMT
Steamdriven. My Avatar is Pete Seeger, put there for Crofty's benefit. He was of course a long-time victim of MacCarthyism (Seeger not Crofty) but lived to fight another day. As for changes in UKPolling: it's the old game of Change & Continuity: tho few I imagine mourn the loss of the Alec-TW spats. Nevertheless, 12 oldies contribute half the posts. The most prolific poster is T Pratchett: he appears several times on every page. Maybe it was Seeger earlier, but this one is someone who found personal joy in reporting leftists to the secret service and personally participated in murdering members of the International Brigade in Barcelona. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 17:00:40 GMT
Lovely video Andy - but have you considered that the reason they get on well with other animals is because they can’t see what they are? It's why they bark so much, they're using echo sounding to navigate. We have a large supply of plastic bow shaped hair clips. |
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Post by mercian on Jan 8, 2022 17:02:17 GMT
I think the first time I saw him in action was a Youtube video of him at an Oxford Union debate. What impresses is that he either has an inordinately sharp brain, or he's thought things through very deeply, or, of course, both. He has answers prepared, not just on his brief, but in a wide range of areas. Lack of affectation and speed of response would really show up our current bumbling PM. As to using private healthcare to reduce waiting lists because the NHS has been underfunded, the only other option is to put more money in and wait 10 years for the additional resources to start reducing the waiting lists. It does all come back to money and needs an awful lot pumping in to improve the supply of future medics/nurses/techs and use private to reduce the current misery of waiting. The crunch will be wresting work from private as the NHS resources improve. Yes-"Lack of affectation" struck me too. Seems to think before opening his mouth. We will have to disagree on @"It does all come back to money". The over concentration on inputs is a mistake imo. -this doesn't mean I think more money isnt important, but how you use is even more so imo . Isn't that setting a dangerous precedent for politicians? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 17:29:04 GMT
Lovely video Andy - but have you considered that the reason they get on well with other animals is because they can’t see what they are? It's why they bark so much, they're using echo sounding to navigate. I had assumed just that it was because they were lost and couldn’t see where they were anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 17:32:51 GMT
I am not sure anyone who was not in the courtroom for the whole case could answer this question. I might be pleased that they were found not not guilty, but would have to answer don't know, because I do not have all the necessary information. Well DK was one of the possible answers and you are of course entitled to your opinion. I do however always wonder if those who find 'fault' with a polling finding do so more because they don't like the representative sample finding? |
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Post by tancred on Jan 8, 2022 17:37:10 GMT
Polling on the Colston 4 verdict, note a larger partisan bias than the polling from when the statue was taken down: I'm not surprised. People generally don't condone hooliganism, for any reason or cause. If you have a grievance you should use legal means to express it. I really hope the verdict will be appealed and the Court of Appeal will overturn it. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 8, 2022 17:45:38 GMT
Hi Mercian, oh where to start? To paraphrase, essentially it is a form of structural power that is woven through every facet of our lives. It’s damaging to both men and women, as despite it being designed to privilege masculinity it also demands of men a conformity to rigid constraints, which depending on their ability to operate within these, carries a degree of harm and oppression. Well from your description I don't think I'll bother reading it. There are of course societal norms which have evolved over time and continue to do so. This is probably in the direction you want. An example that springs to mind is the wearing of ties in formal situations including the office, where not to do so could damage promotion prospects at one time, even if it was tolerated at all. Now in my experience it's almost the exception. As an aside, I have a formal photograph of my great-great grandfather which my grandmother refused to have on show because he wasn't wearing a tie. I later discovered that the modern sort of tie hadn't even been invented when the picture was taken!  Yes, it’s all about ties! |
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Post by guymonde on Jan 8, 2022 17:59:47 GMT
(2) Yes-shocking. Brown ramped it up as a means of funding Capital Spending without it being recorded as Government Debt-so called "off balance sheet" borrowing. I agree, but the impact of PFI is exaggerated by both left and right for political reasons. I worked out a couple of years ago that even if pfi delivered zero benefit (ie nothing practically useful) it's gross burden on the NHS would be less than 2%, but it's a convenient football to kick at Labour (conservatives) and New Labour (many in Labour) and a squirrel to distract from the enormous improvement in the NHS, not least in capital investment, during that era. Not that I would defend PFI for one moment. I have been involved in PFI deals both as a supplier (setting up and running deals) and as a customer (managing contracts after the deal was done). The main one I ran was relatively small and involved substantial (and quite scary) risk transfer to the private sector. The risk transfer actually made sense but wrapping it up in a 25-year privately financed deal was ridiculous. The one I'm managing now from customer side is much more predominantly financial in that its purpose was to bring forward investment and spread the cost over a long period. Technically there is risk transfer but the actual risk is minimal. Doing that with expensive private finance rather than government borrowing is barmy and of course holding up service standards in a horrendously complicated contract with a 25 year term is nigh impossible. And by the way, that deal was done in 2013 so it's not as if this nonsense stopped with NuLab. |
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Post by alec on Jan 8, 2022 18:00:33 GMT
steve - "Given that over 2000 people were murdered in south Africa in December alone up 8.5% on the previous year it's a reasonable assumption that considerably more South Africans were dying as a result of being killed by other South Africans than from covid, ( more than three times as many according to the official figures)" Well that equates to perhaps 200 extra deaths over the previous year set against 10,229 excess deaths in December, so no, murders don't appear to be that relevant. No idea why the excess deaths is so high. It may be entirely inconnected to covid, but it is a big number. Given that we know covid causes strokes, blood thickening etc, it remains possible that people are dying from covid linked causes but not in hospital or having tested positive, rather than dying in hopsital from respiratory conditions. As yet, we just don't know, which is why I find that the insistence that Omicron is more or less harmless is premature.
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Post by tancred on Jan 8, 2022 18:01:43 GMT
Why can the verdict not be appealed? Any reason? |
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Post by guymonde on Jan 8, 2022 18:10:27 GMT
We will have to disagree on @"It does all come back to money". The over concentration on inputs is a mistake imo. -this doesn't mean I think more money isnt important, but how you use is even more so imo . I totally agree that how the money is used is very important. Switching off private referrals won't reduce waiting lists, it'll likely increase them even more. So using them whilst building NHS capacity, which will take time, I'd say is the way to go. I agree too. But I think shevii's point is that spending NHS money in the private sector may have the unintended consequence of reducing core NHS capacity. It will certainly create more demand in the private sector and more demand will mean more resources are needed to fulfil that demand. And where will the resources come from? You can't recruit too many doctors and nurses down at the job centre. I think that is a particular worry at this time where many NHS staff are both worn out and demoralised - there are eye-watering number of GPs who expect to leave the profession (did I read 25% within the next year?) |
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