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Post by barbara on Jan 8, 2022 12:46:47 GMT
A bit cruel Babs.  Anyway, I’ve left. Goodbye xx  All right. Own up. Who's upset Crofty? Well I hope it wasn't me. I thought my post was a very gentle tease. If I've upset you Crofty I didn't mean to😢😢 |
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2022 12:47:09 GMT
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Post by barbara on Jan 8, 2022 12:55:21 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>*barbara Welcome to brexitania How have you changed your status to 'god'  😆😆 |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 8, 2022 12:57:40 GMT
barbara I think the 2012 Olympics was the last time I did feel proud to be British. A while after the Brexit vote I remember rewatching the opening ceremony and the contrast between how I'd felt about the country then compared to how I felt now made me feel quite emotional. Me too. The right love to say it's people on the left who lack patriotism but it was several commentators from the right, including an MP who decried the ceremony as politically correct rubbish - until it became clear that the majority of the British public loved it and so did the rest of the world, After which point they shut up. Obviously the wrong kind of patriotism for them. www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jul/28/olympics-opening-ceremony-multicultural-crap-tory-mp |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 12:59:49 GMT
All right. Own up. Who's upset Crofty? Well I hope it wasn't me. I thought my post was a very gentle tease. If I've upset you Crofty I didn't mean to😢😢 Blimey no Barbara, you would be one of the reasons to stay. Just feel I prefer talking/writing to more like-minded people (such as yourself) and in, obviously, that not being possible on a site like this it can often feel uncomfortable. But mainly I’m fed up having to read about ole Batty’s “Aston Villa” and their relegation struggle. Paul x |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 12:59:57 GMT
<button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button>*barbara Welcome to brexitania How have you changed your status to 'god'  😆😆I thought you had to go through 'disciple' first. |
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Post by shevii on Jan 8, 2022 13:00:45 GMT
As to using private healthcare to reduce waiting lists because the NHS has been underfunded, the only other option is to put more money in and wait 10 years for the additional resources to start reducing the waiting lists. It does all come back to money and needs an awful lot pumping in to improve the supply of future medics/nurses/techs and use private to reduce the current misery of waiting. The crunch will be wresting work from private as the NHS resources improve. If the bottleneck is mostly to do with lack of staff (I take colin point about a few extra beds and equipment and it may help a bit but doesn't seem like a gamechanger) then how does private healthcare help with this? Do they have excess people sitting around doing nothing? Can they coax people back from lucrative contracts in Dubai or coax people who took early retirement because of the working conditions inside the NHS? Where does private get the staff where the NHS can't (except from the NHS)? I don't really see this short term fix and as you rightly say long term it just creates a new structure of private which will be almost impossible to unravel. Maybe short term private could be incentivised to work on the critical things by offering more money to do those rather than cosmetic stuff but I doubt private is the answer in the medium term and certainly not in the long term. |
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Post by barbara on Jan 8, 2022 13:06:02 GMT
Well I hope it wasn't me. I thought my post was a very gentle tease. If I've upset you Crofty I didn't mean to😢😢 Blimey no Barbara, you would be one of the reasons to stay. Just feel I prefer talking/writing to more like-minded people (such as yourself) and in, obviously, that not being possible on a site like this it can often feel uncomfortable. But mainly I’m fed up having to read about ole Batty’s “Aston Villa” and their relegation struggle. Paul x That's such a shame. Your sense of humour and gentle contributions are often much needed. I hope you'll continue to post if only now and again when you feel like it. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 8, 2022 13:18:47 GMT
Blimey no Barbara, you would be one of the reasons to stay. Just feel I prefer talking/writing to more like-minded people (such as yourself) and in, obviously, that not being possible on a site like this it can often feel uncomfortable. But mainly I’m fed up having to read about ole Batty’s “Aston Villa” and their relegation struggle. Paul x That's such a shame. Your sense of humour and gentle contributions are often much needed. I hope you'll continue to post if only now and again when you feel like it. @crofty - hope I didn't contribute to your decision - I actually like kickieball, and I promise not to post anymore links to the history of hairstyles! You will be missed. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 8, 2022 13:25:46 GMT
@crofty
"Blimey no Barbara, you would be one of the reasons to stay. Just feel I prefer talking/writing to more like-minded people (such as yourself) and in, obviously, that not being possible on a site like this it can often feel uncomfortable.
But mainly I’m fed up having to read about ole Batty’s “Aston Villa” and their relegation struggle.
Paul x"
As a former, now disillusioned, member of your posting collective, I'm surprised you are still making these gratuitous and factually inaccurate references to my favourite football team. I'm not saying it was the main reason I left the collective, that was more to do with internal power struggles as you well know, but your irritating habit of insulting me was a contributor. It little surprises me now that the collective just comprises you and a couple of dogs. Not quite one man and his dog, but you get my gist.
Sad, in many ways. Lady Valerie and Charlie Boy decamped some time ago too, I hear.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:27:27 GMT
We will have to disagree on @"It does all come back to money". The over concentration on inputs is a mistake imo. -this doesn't mean I think more money isnt important, but how you use is even more so imo . I totally agree that how the money is used is very important. Switching off private referrals won't reduce waiting lists, it'll likely increase them even more. So using them whilst building NHS capacity, which will take time, I'd say is the way to go. Thanks. I appreciate your willingness to talk " across the aisle". Some people seem to prefer their own bubble, but UKPR always used to be a place where AW tried to encourage Party to be left at the door.And its always been the most stimulating part of going there for me. I hoped UKPR2 would be the same-but the dynamic has changed imo. |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 8, 2022 13:28:01 GMT
Powell and Pressburger made The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (which was dutifully banned during the war and ignored or suppressed for the next forty years). I hate to be pedantic (by which I mean I love to be pedantic) but while Churchill disapproved of Blimp, it wasn't banned, tho its international circulation was restricted. I don't understand what you mean by suppressed or ignored. I think it's P & P's one unquestioned masterpiece: D Kerr's acting, Walbrook's monologue about Nazism straight to camera, etc. The Red Shoes is wonderful but has a cranky plot: & Marius Goring is hopeless as a romantic lead: why would Moira Shearer choose him over a career with the impresario Walbrook (Diaghilev). You make an interesting point about poppycock initiating the culture war. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 13:48:25 GMT
Forsooth!
Wot's all this stuff about folk leaving etc?
UKPR2 is but a mere 51 days old, a mere stripling, in its infancy.
Is it New Year blues, resolutions, paucity of polling during the festive season, dogs needing a walk, early signs of Spring and end of hibernation, too much facial hair on display (sorry Rosa), overdose of Man. United, too much tasteless humour/too little tasteless humour?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:54:32 GMT
Dear Babs/Miss Lemon Thanks for kind comments and I will still look out for your posts as well as a few others. Meanwhile I am hoping to spend more time with my guitar - working on some lovely early Italian Renaissance solos (amazingly over 500 years old and one can imagine something very similar being written now) plus Bach, my songs etc. Best wishes, Paul ps Miserable failure at actually quoting your words... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:03:44 GMT
I totally agree that how the money is used is very important. Switching off private referrals won't reduce waiting lists, it'll likely increase them even more. So using them whilst building NHS capacity, which will take time, I'd say is the way to go. Thanks. I appreciate your willingness to talk " across the aisle". Some people seem to prefer their own bubble, but UKPR always used to be a place where AW tried to encourage Party to be left at the door.And its always been the most stimulating part of going there for me. I hoped UKPR2 would be the same-but the dynamic has changed imo. - I don't know, but I like the style of (most of) the comments here more than in the past two or three years on UKPR1 and it makes me formulating my comments a bit differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:19:01 GMT
I hoped UKPR2 would be the same-but the dynamic has changed imo. Yes, I feel exactly the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:19:08 GMT
Thanks. I appreciate your willingness to talk " across the aisle". Some people seem to prefer their own bubble, but UKPR always used to be a place where AW tried to encourage Party to be left at the door.And its always been the most stimulating part of going there for me. I hoped UKPR2 would be the same-but the dynamic has changed imo. - I don't know, but I like the style of (most of) the comments here more than in the past two or three years on UKPR1 and it makes me formulating my comments a bit differently. Thats great Laszlo. Thanks  |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 8, 2022 14:22:14 GMT
Barbara: I don't think anyone would find you offensive, except maybe Tanktop, & I wouldn't worry about him.
The posting on this board is dominated by the same people as the previous one: inevitably, the tone of the discussions is similar as well (the main, welcome to me, difference is that tw is far less active on the main thread). The original damage was done by Brexit.
Today, for example, we have the usual ROC guff about lefties not being patriotic, which has had innumerable outings. They can't see, or rather pretend not to see, that flag-waving & anthem-singing are tools used to promote a right-wing agenda. Hence, the ROC distaste of alternative or LOC "narratives" of our national history, eg., as in the opening of the 2012 Olympics (I assume that's what it was, I didn't actually see it!) Hence the dislike of, say, BLM activists "rewriting history", as tho history was congealed in a stale, cultural aspic, rather than something that to be called history has to be constantly rewritten! We don't move on from these debates because the people enjoy them I guess.
The spat between Crofty & Batty (both of who liven the debates) maybe real or pretend: they have a whatsapp group, where I'm sure they can wash their dirty linen or in this case football socks in private.
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Post by davwel on Jan 8, 2022 14:28:01 GMT
BBC R4 Today was providing yet more content that encourages people in Scotland not to pay the licence fee (this anti-payment campaign mentioned by ON last night 19.49 pm).
Not only did this morning`s programme give an unnecessary boost to Nigel Farage, re-broadcasting one of his contributions to Any Questions last night and praising him as a successful politician (c. 8.20 am), but it also gave wrong information about the 4th CV jabs.
At 8.41 a.m. it had Nick Robinson interviewing Prof Anthony Harnden, an Oxford medic. He said it was "not the right time at the moment" for a programme of 4th jabs, which directly undermines NHS Scotland`s encouraging of 3rd-jabbed vulnerable people getting a 4th jab RIGHT NOW. Never once in the interview did Robinson say that the statements and views applied only to England. Nor did he touch on AH`s Oxford and AZ connection possibly making him discount the decline in effectiveness of that vaccine over time.
It looks to me that the BBC have resigned themselves to being unpopular in Scotland, and losing licence money, in order to ingratiate themselves with the Tory government and keep themselves popular with many RoC voters in Southern England, this via giving unjustified boosts to farRight parties as shown by the Farage treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:31:19 GMT
The spat between Crofty & Batty (both of who liven the debates) maybe real or pretend: they have a whatsapp group, where I'm sure they can wash their dirty linen or in this case football socks in private. I definitely just pretend that I can’t stand him Robbie: in reality I tolerate him and his incessant Villa banter with an exceedingly good grace, especially given how boring he is. ps I’m working my notice at the moment. Just been informed that those are the rules. |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 8, 2022 14:34:23 GMT
"I definitely just pretend that I can’t stand him Robbie"
I know I was just trying to create a bit of tension
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 14:38:28 GMT
"I definitely just pretend that I can’t stand him Robbie" I know I was just trying to create a bit of tension Please don’t, he can get quite nasty. |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 8, 2022 14:54:22 GMT
PS.
1. Well over half of the members of this board have contributed 0, 1, or 2 posts: nearly all these are newbies, i.e., not found on the old site. Of course many of these maybe (frequent?) guests: but guests self-evidently don't affect the content or tone of the debates.
2. Of the 8,000 odd posts, 75% have been contributed by members of the old site, counting only those who have contributed 50 or more posts. Plus all the oldies who have contributed fewer than 50, including me, which I couldn't be bothered to add up, which would make 85%??
3. Only 6 or 7 newbies have posted 50 or more times.
No wonder there's continuity. (That's exhausted me).
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Post by domjg on Jan 8, 2022 15:02:09 GMT
Me too. The right love to say it's people on the left who lack patriotism but it was several commentators from the right, including an MP who decried the ceremony as politically correct rubbish - until it became clear that the majority of the British public loved it and so did the rest of the world, After which point they shut up. Obviously the wrong kind of patriotism for them. www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jul/28/olympics-opening-ceremony-multicultural-crap-tory-mp Thanks for reminding me of that! Love George and especially that song. Watched the closing ceremony on a big screen on a beautiful day in the grounds of Blenheim palace (one of my favourite places in this country) in what now seems like a different era. |
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Post by pete on Jan 8, 2022 15:11:37 GMT
Reporters must sometimes think, "why me?" Laura Trevelyan's turn this time. Enjoy: Love the bloke laughing (cameraman?) in the background. |
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Post by James E on Jan 8, 2022 15:15:32 GMT
Looking forward to the first Opinium of 2022, which should be released at 8pm this evening, if it follows their normal pattern.
My guess would be a somewhat lower Labour lead than their 39/32 two weeks ago.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 15:33:46 GMT
UKPR2 is still a different animal to AW's original.
The change in format provides a different atmosphere, faster responses, linked responses, editing, emoticons and private messaging too. In addition we've lost several regular contributors, PTRP and his Iraq fetish, TOH (sadly), the Trevs have dramatically reduced their output. A reduction in posting by prolific correspondents will obviously change site dynamics and who knows whether or not that would have happened if we'd remained on the original site?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 15:37:50 GMT
Polling on the Colston 4 verdict, note a larger partisan bias than the polling from when the statue was taken down:
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Jan 8, 2022 15:38:48 GMT
File under 'Not a lot of people know that'.
Mr Pratchett referred to Crofty's beautiful game as 'Foot the Ball', which somehow seems more scornful than 'Kickieball'. (Terry Pratchett - Unseen Academicals)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 15:39:20 GMT
UKPR2 is still a different animal to AW's original. The change in format provides a different atmosphere, faster responses, linked responses, editing, emoticons and private messaging too. In addition we've lost several regular contributors, PTRP and his Iraq fetish, TOH (sadly), the Trevs have dramatically reduced their output. A reduction in posting by prolific correspondents will obviously change site dynamics and who knows whether or not that would have happened if we'd remained on the original site? ‘ear ‘ear. |
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