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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 19, 2024 15:03:17 GMT
Another great game in the Euros. Croatia v Albania. 2-2 with 95th minute equaliser from the Albanians after Croatia had reversed a 1-0 deficit to lead 2-1.
A fellow called Hoxha was instrumental in the Albanian equaliser.
A new Hoxha statue in Tirana soon maybe? Most of the two thousand erected in tribute to the old boy long gone.
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Post by alec on Jun 19, 2024 15:12:42 GMT
I would recommend everyone takes a few minutes to read this - www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/19/a-30-second-walk-would-exhaust-me-natacha-life-with-long-covidWhile this case dates to an initial infection from pre-vaccine days, and vaccination does help reduce your risk of infection (for a few weeks) and also the risk of developing long covid, by a fairly limited amount, tens of thousands of people are still going down with long covid now. This isn't going to stop any time soon, unless we start to get serious about preventing infections. At it's worst, it absolutely devastates lives. There is no cure, and for most patients, the NHS just dumps you and the DWP don't believe you. As in this case, the woman was denied welfare benefits because she wasn't undergoing any treatment, because the NHS offers no treatments for people with long covid. Other countries are taking this issue more seriously, with dedicated health teams, research and support, but even those countries are struggling, because there is no cure and the numbers keep on going up and up. Alongside these severe cases, there are literally millions of people (2m in the UK) suffering lesser forms of disability, some life limiting, others the precursor of more serious health declines as the years roll on and the infections mount. Everyone seems to be going about their business thinking it can't happen to them, many apparently thinking because they've had covid an odd time or two and it wasn't so bad that they're in the clear as far as long covid goes. The truth is that it can strike at the first, second or any subsequent infection, and the severity of long covid is largely unrelated to the severity of the initial infection. Some studies have found it's more likely to occur after 'mild' initial infections. We appear to be entering another significant wave of infections, which bring the certainty that we'll see another wave of these terrible disabling illnesses hitting yet more people. We have simple measures at hand to reduce the chances of being infected, but unless people start to care about their health and start demanding that public bodies do likewise, we'll be stuck in this terrible doom loop of worsening health and deteriorating performance. |
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Post by alec on Jun 19, 2024 15:22:54 GMT
Anyone who knows Glencoe will know this property, and the sad tale of it's recent history - www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckvven3q0ynoCurrently it is an absolute eyesore, so redevelopment will be welcome, but having seen Glencoe over many decades, I have to say that the appeal of the location has lost a great deal of it's grandeur. It was once an isolated mountain cottage at the head of the glen, remote and quiet for much of the time. As the decades passed by, the A82 has become a nightmarishly busy road, streaming with traffic for much of the year, so much so that living there would be not too far removed from setting up home on the central reservation of the M6. And of course, the site was forever despoiled by the despicable Jimmy Saville, who for some strange reason chose this property as one of his dens. Scotland remains a country of magnificent landscapes, but the verge of the A82 may not be the best place to appreciate them. |
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Post by mercian on Jun 19, 2024 15:24:53 GMT
Trying to say that real interest rates weren’t high because inflation was higher doesn’t really work. What it means in practice is that industry was being hit both by high inflation and high interest rates. Higher inflation doesn’t magically wipe out the hit from the high interest rates. Industry, already struggling with higher costs due to inflation, now had to pay more for the borrowing necessary to produce goods before selling them. This was devastating, as I saw working in a factory at the time, and as you can see by Hal unemployment shut up, and we had a recession. We agree on the impact of wage restraint on workers during a period of high inflation. This was not levied fairly either: in 1973 alone, teachers got a 30% pay rise, and doctors pay doubled over the decade. The pay restraint tended to apply to the working class. When eventually they have to strike because they cannot afford to live, the right then treat the unions as being vexatious. It was a disastrous right-wing policy from Labour that destroyed the party as a force for assisting the working class. we agree also on how the increase in VAT further stoked inflation, and the cuts increased the damage further. Those who had mortgages undoubtedly benefitted from an extended period of high inflation. Only if their wages kept pace. Mine more or less did, luckily. I used to keep a spreadsheet of my actual take-home pay throughout the 70s and 80s and from memory I averaged 11% p.a. rises for most of that time. |
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Post by steve on Jun 19, 2024 15:27:11 GMT
Paul
I had some a few years back leading to an excruciating Cholecystis incident the pain I understand is similar in intensity to a heart attack but lasts for hours.
Of course this was on a Christmas day.
The way that I've reduced the chance of repetition and I haven't had one for over 8 years was a dietary change and the addition of lecithin tablets , lecithin is the active ingredient in Apple's and other fruit that is scientifically proven to help in the breakdown of radiolucent gallstones, gallstones come in two types but the breakdown of one type means that the others pass easily through the bile duct without causing pain.
Lecithin tablets are readily available on Amazon or at supplement suppliers like Holland and Barrett,they're inexpensive.
Hope that helps
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Post by graham on Jun 19, 2024 15:28:51 GMT
Bugger politics - anyone with any experience of gallstones? MRI scan suggesting I’ve got them and I’m wondering if they were the cause of the recent stay in hospital that I “bravely “ endured. Sorry to hear that - though I suppose it is good to have identified the problem. I have not myself been faced with this, but in severe cases it can lead to removal of gallbladder. . In the past, this involved quite major surgery but is now normally possible via keyhole surgery which is much less invasive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 15:35:00 GMT
Bugger politics - anyone with any experience of gallstones? MRI scan suggesting I’ve got them and I’m wondering if they were the cause of the recent stay in hospital that I “bravely “ endured. Sorry to hear that - though I suppose it is good to have identified the problem. I have not myself been faced with this, but in severe cases it can lead to removal of gallbladder. . In the past, this involved quite major surgery but is now normally possible via keyhole surgery which is much less invasive. Thanks for that Graham… I guess I will find out soon enough, once I have a second MRI scan/see the appropriate specialist next month. Given that we don’t need the gall bladder (or my tonsils which will still be in Gibraltar 🇬🇮 as I had them removed there, when I was about twelve) ole god made quite a few unnecessary additions to the human body when he designed it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 15:35:35 GMT
Thanks steve, will bear that in mind. |
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Post by hireton on Jun 19, 2024 15:37:15 GMT
More in Common's latest MRP:
"Our latest @moreincommon_ @thenewsagents MRP is out now.
It projects a Labour majority of 162 and a historic Conservative defeat.
🔴Lab 406 (+204)
🔵Con 155 (-210)
🟠Lib Dem 49 (+38)
🟡SNP 18 (-30)
🟢Plaid 2 (-2)
🟩Green 1 (-)
Changes on 2019 actuals."
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Post by leftieliberal on Jun 19, 2024 15:39:59 GMT
Keynesianism is more coventionally a right-wing policy, Keynsianism as practised by Keynes was a response to the "do nothing" policies of other economists in the 1930s. Had he lived longer, he might well have changed his mind about some of his policies. He was quoted as saying “When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?” so I suspect had he been faced with the economic problems of the 1960s and 1970s he might well have offered different solutions to what we call Keynesianism. Robert Skidelsky's biography of him is well-worth reading. |
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Post by steve on Jun 19, 2024 15:43:33 GMT
hiretonIt comes to something when a historic defeat would be seen as dodging the bullet. I hope they do far worse 150 mps makes them a plausible opposition.
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Post by oldnat on Jun 19, 2024 15:45:56 GMT
One reason that this site is better than Twitter -
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Post by graham on Jun 19, 2024 15:48:38 GMT
Verian
Lab 39(-2)
Con 21(+1)
Ref 13(-2)
LD 13(+2)
Grn 7(-1)
SNP 3(-)
Oth 4(+1)
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Post by Dave on Jun 19, 2024 15:50:04 GMT
mercian Irrespective of your intent or otherwise to vote Green, the list of policies you listed aren't remotely " communist " Ok, I may have used the term loosely. I'm not too well up on the shades of difference between the multifarious factions of the left so I use 'communist' as a catch-all for extreme left. That's fine so long as you don't mind me using fascist as a Catch-all for the extreme right, such as Reform. |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jun 19, 2024 15:51:01 GMT
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Post by barbara on Jun 19, 2024 15:51:24 GMT
Ok, I may have used the term loosely. I'm not too well up on the shades of difference between the multifarious factions of the left so I use 'communist' as a catch-all for extreme left. Know what you mean…………. I tend to use “bastards” for those on the multifarious factions of the right. Selfish bastards I say. |
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Post by laszlo4new on Jun 19, 2024 15:58:17 GMT
Sorry, just because my third publication was about the crisis of Keynesian economics, a long quotation ("short" because it was well over a hundred pages) - will only come back to the discussion if there is interest about the other aspects of the Keynesian economics (and the connection between that and monetarism): In Keynes’s theory the interest rate is completely independent of the rate of profit, its size is exclusively regulated by the preferences of the speculators, that is, its manifestation form, the speculative demand for money and the speculative supply of money, therefore the state (which also acts a speculator), apart from the liquidity trap, has infinite power in determining the interest rates. This is how the interest rate becomes an exogeneous factor in the Keynesian theory. Therefore, at this point, Keynes is monetarist because on the one hand, apart from the liquidity trap, the important momentum of the Keynesian theory, the uncertain rate of profit, disappears, and on the hand because the state interve3nes through the manipulation of the total supply, and this is how it increases the total demand. In our view, contrary to Keynes’s assertion, this financing form does not cause inflation, or at least uncontrolled inflation, as long as the additional money finances real, future accumulation. In fact the state is not able to check if the increased volume of money serves this. If the additional creation of money happens when the general renewal and/or regrouping of invested capital is necessary, the state intervention expands the length of this process as it creates the situation in which profit could be realised without the change in the economic structure and/or introduction of new technology. If additional demand through the increasing of the volume of money appears against such commodities in whose production the invested capital is bigger than allowed by the profit conditions, that is productivity levels and ratios, then the additional demand sustains (or even increases) the level of profit, but this increased or sustained level of profit is fictive. The productivity differences between economic sectors (or companies) therefore are realised through the increase in prices. The increase of the level of prices restores the real level of profit, but at higher prices, therefore in a given sector the maintenance of production and employment can only be ensured through increasing rate of price increases. This, as it creates such competition relationships that makes capital uncertain and obstructs the flow of capital, appears in the disturbances of reproduction, in frequent and short surge and bust periods (this is what characterised the second half of the 1970s). Thanks very much for your response, Laszlo! As I recall it, you have made some of these points in the past before (and we have agreed on things like how Keynes is essentially monetarist, and how the stimulus doesn’t have to result in inflation), but here you are pulling them together, and flashing them out a bit. The final part, is the bit that I tend to struggle with. If I can roughly paraphrase: how a stimulus may be counter-productive, because in effect it props up zombie firms, instead of redeploying capital more efficiently? (I think your argument involves more than that, but I’m not quite following the prices thing) Not that I am saying this is necessarily wrong, but I’m still getting my head around it after many years. I certainly think there are cases where it doesn’t apply. For example, if you fail to prop up an industry on which a community depends, and the industry collapses, that community may not suddenly benefit from a redeploying of capital to leave them better off. The community may indeed suffer generations of unemployment. Yes, we did have an exchange of thoughts. Long time.... Yes, basically the stimulus can save zombies, but it can also ease competition, and hence obstruct restructuring. Oddly, when Thatcher started her rule, it was purely monetarist (hence the huge wage increase in 1979-1980 that Labour rejected- OK the promise was for buying the votes, but it fits well with monetarism). However, by 1983 the economic policy moved to a kind of supply-side economics (even if the economic school barely existed). It is not very well known, but her government paid subsidies to firms for firing textile and some other manufacturing workers (effectively the state paid for the redundancy cost). |
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 19, 2024 15:58:49 GMT
Keynesianism is more coventionally a right-wing policy, Keynsianism as practised by Keynes was a response to the "do nothing" policies of other economists in the 1930s. Had he lived longer, he might well have changed his mind about some of his policies. He was quoted as saying “When the facts change, I change my mind - what do you do, sir?” so I suspect had he been faced with the economic problems of the 1960s and 1970s he might well have offered different solutions to what we call Keynesianism. Robert Skidelsky's biography of him is well-worth reading. I agree very much Leftie. Keynes had a great mind, and some did not care for the way the US wore him down in the Bretton Woods negotiations. I’m not sure if it came from Keynes himself, but I think maybe other Keynesians did have some remedies for dealing with the inflation of the oil crisis era that can make conventional stimulus problematic because of inflation - e.g. commodity buffers, like for example energy stores* - and of course, if you put a stimulus into creating more energy supplies, that can also be counterinflationary. * I’m not too sure what the status was of our commodity buffers in the era. I know the US had them, but Nixon sold them off. The move from coal to oil, made storing energy a bit less easy, as when it was coal, we could just pile it up in heaps. (As it happens, that’s what Thatcher wound up doing, only she didn’t do it so much to give us a buffer against energy prices, but to underwrite her forthcoming battle with the miners, so that it didn’t matter if they striked). I have now put the Sidelski bio in my wishlist. While looking for it, happened that it seems there is another book by Sidelski - “the Return of the Master” - in which he appears to look at the relevance of Keynes’ ideas in the world, following the banking crash? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 19, 2024 15:59:33 GMT
We have had a right-wing government since May 1979 - other than a two year interval 2008 - 2010 during the GFC when Keynesian policies made a comeback. Incidentally Graham, Keynesianism is more coventionally a right-wing policy, albeit soft-right. Keynes was a Liberal, and the use of a stimulus in a downtown, is a way of using the state to save capital when it screws up. Once the downturn is over, the stimulus stops and the hegemony of capital returns. The role of the state is limited to helping capital in a downtown, which was considered preferable to the downward spiral you would get if you didn’t have some state action. Biden, in contrast, is more to the left, as would Labour be if they are able to do the green deal. Because in this instance, you are using the resources of the state is significant ways to assist the economy outside of a downtown, not just when things are in recession. How left-wing it really would be, depends to some extent on whether the state funding goes towards private sector firms, as opposed to securing assets for the state itself, or the people. (Not everybody who considers themselves left-wing, is keen on the idea of state action. However, without significant state action, achieving lofty goals, tends to be decidedly more limited. You can, of course have hybrid approaches, where maybe the state acts more initially, then devolves it more to individuals down the line, but not in a way where caplital takes over again). The highlighted part is not quite right. Keynes was trying to flatten out the 'boom and bust' business cycle, so he also advocated suppressing booms via state action. That is the part politicians never implemented because booms make them popular with the voters. |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 19, 2024 15:59:59 GMT
Bugger politics - anyone with any experience of gallstones? MRI scan suggesting I’ve got them and I’m wondering if they were the cause of the recent stay in hospital that I “bravely “ endured. Not personally, but the butcher in our village had them and went on some sort of miracle diet that he claims dissolved them. He also lost about 4 stone in the processs, which he needed to. One caveat, and this is why I don't remember the nature of the diet , is that the first thing he mentioned was cutting out the booze. My brain went into automatic shutdown at that point I will investigate and message you |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 19, 2024 16:06:16 GMT
Anyone who knows Glencoe will know this property, and the sad tale of it's recent history - www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckvven3q0ynoCurrently it is an absolute eyesore, so redevelopment will be welcome, but having seen Glencoe over many decades, I have to say that the appeal of the location has lost a great deal of it's grandeur. It was once an isolated mountain cottage at the head of the glen, remote and quiet for much of the time. As the decades passed by, the A82 has become a nightmarishly busy road, streaming with traffic for much of the year, so much so that living there would be not too far removed from setting up home on the central reservation of the M6. And of course, the site was forever despoiled by the despicable Jimmy Saville, who for some strange reason chose this property as one of his dens. Scotland remains a country of magnificent landscapes, but the verge of the A82 may not be the best place to appreciate them. Here's a wee thematic quiz question Who is this and outside whose Highland home is he posing?  My younger brother when busking round the highlands with his girlfriend once spent a scary 3 hours in this house in the 1980s before fleeing ![]() |
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Post by leftieliberal on Jun 19, 2024 16:09:37 GMT
Bugger politics - anyone with any experience of gallstones? MRI scan suggesting I’ve got them and I’m wondering if they were the cause of the recent stay in hospital that I “bravely “ endured. They should be able to deal with them using lithotripsy. What I don't know is availability on the NHS. |
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Post by ping on Jun 19, 2024 16:10:06 GMT
Latest YouGov MRP:
Labour: 425 (+223)
Conservative: 108 (-257)
Lib Dem: 67 (+56)
SNP: 20 (-28)
Reform UK: 5 (+5)
Plaid: 4 (±0)
Green: 2 (+1)
Compared to the previous MRP (24th May-1st June) this is Labour up 3 seats, Tories down 32, LDs up 19, SNP up 3, RefUK up 5, Plaid up 2, Green same.
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Post by c-a-r-f-r-e-w on Jun 19, 2024 16:11:27 GMT
Incidentally Graham, Keynesianism is more coventionally a right-wing policy, albeit soft-right. Keynes was a Liberal, and the use of a stimulus in a downtown, is a way of using the state to save capital when it screws up. Once the downturn is over, the stimulus stops and the hegemony of capital returns. The role of the state is limited to helping capital in a downtown, which was considered preferable to the downward spiral you would get if you didn’t have some state action. Biden, in contrast, is more to the left, as would Labour be if they are able to do the green deal. Because in this instance, you are using the resources of the state is significant ways to assist the economy outside of a downtown, not just when things are in recession. How left-wing it really would be, depends to some extent on whether the state funding goes towards private sector firms, as opposed to securing assets for the state itself, or the people. (Not everybody who considers themselves left-wing, is keen on the idea of state action. However, without significant state action, achieving lofty goals, tends to be decidedly more limited. You can, of course have hybrid approaches, where maybe the state acts more initially, then devolves it more to individuals down the line, but not in a way where caplital takes over again). The highlighted part is not quite right. Keynes was trying to flatten out the 'boom and bust' business cycle, so he also advocated suppressing booms via state action. That is the part politicians never implemented because booms make them popular with the voters. Yes, this is kind of why it’s monetarist. E.g. you can inflate the money supply in bad times, and reduce it if things are booming. I was just focusing on the aspect in comparison with other lefty methods in terms of how much assistance. How other methods may continue to give assistance outside of a downturn. |
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Post by jib on Jun 19, 2024 16:12:52 GMT
It gets worse and worse for the Tories.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jun 19, 2024 16:13:26 GMT
Verian Lab 39(-2) Con 21(+1) Ref 13(-2) LD 13(+2) Grn 7(-1) SNP 3(-) Oth 4(+1) June 14th - 17th Verian is the spice of life. |
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Post by alec on Jun 19, 2024 16:20:28 GMT
bardin1 - don't think it is, but is that Ben Alder Bothy?
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 19, 2024 16:21:04 GMT
It gets worse and worse for the Tories. Gives the snp 8 seats as well Could be an early bath for me on election night..... |
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Post by bardin1 on Jun 19, 2024 16:21:55 GMT
bardin1 - don't think it is, but is that Ben Alder Bothy? No - a much bigger house though it doesn't look it. The chap in front is a big clue - the house featured in a film he was also in |
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Post by pjw1961 on Jun 19, 2024 16:26:25 GMT
Latest YouGov MRP: Labour: 425 (+223) Conservative: 108 (-257) Lib Dem: 67 (+56) SNP: 20 (-28) Reform UK: 5 (+5) Plaid: 4 (±0) Green: 2 (+1) Compared to the previous MRP (24th May-1st June) this is Labour up 3 seats, Tories down 32, LDs up 19, SNP up 3, RefUK up 5, Plaid up 2, Green same. Assuming they have excluded the Speaker (and obviously Northern Ireland), then YouGov obviously don't see Corbyn or Galloway winning or Ladywood falling to an Independent. I don't believe the 5 RefUK. |
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