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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 12:28:04 GMT
Shocked that Coffey admitting to breaking the law in a dangerous way isn't the big story at the moment, and that she appears to be getting away with it. Just disappears into the omnishambles of this government. Not sure why you're shocked; shes only the SoS for Health! If it had been a Labour politician the Tory press would have plastered the story everywhere and Starmer would have withdrawn the whip by now. You couldn't make it up. But why would you need to? CON really seem to be going out of their way to self-implode as quickly as possible. It's looking increasingly to me per recent polling that a sea change in public opinion is under way, and no matter what CON do or say, people aren't listening any more. They just want rid. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 12:44:52 GMT
Watched LK just to compare views. Same cast-different show ! Different specs obviously  Tesco bloke + Union lady agree-Tories rubbish. Hancock asked if he is "embarrassed" by it all. Hunt explains how he will unwind his bosses core policies. Reynolds had a field day-open goals everywhere.This bit prompted a thought. As usual a Lab representative avoids answering the " will you put up taxes" question. But Hunt has just signaled that taxes may have to rise. So Lab don't need to worry about the perceived negative of tax rises. Cons will be there before them. Just settling down with my Sunday Times before the match-and read an astonishing piece from Lawson jnr:- " Agent Truss: mission achieved for Labour There can be only one explanation for the PM’s self-destructive behaviour" he claims Truss is a Labour agent-sleeper cell  Is he serious ?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 12:50:37 GMT
jib“ You won't change my mind, and you won't change mine.” Only thing worse than the above sentence construction - and the fact that is makes no sense at all - is the fact that it’s actually YOU who prolong this stuff and who keeps banging on about leaving the EU. Constantly responding by insulting posters, as you regularly do, is hardly likely to close down this tedious debate.
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 16, 2022 12:51:25 GMT
Watched LK just to compare views. Same cast-different show ! Different specs obviously Tesco bloke + Union lady agree-Tories rubbish. Hancock asked if he is "embarrassed" by it all. Hunt explains how he will unwind his bosses core policies. Reynolds had a field day-open goals everywhere.This bit prompted a thought. As usual a Lab representative avoids answering the " will you put up taxes" question. But Hunt has just signaled that taxes may have to rise. So Lab don't need to worry about the perceived negative of tax rises. Cons will be there before them. Just settling down with my Sunday Times before the match-and read an astonishing piece from Lawson jnr:- " Agent Truss: mission achieved for Labour There can be only one explanation for the PM’s self-destructive behaviour" he claims Truss is a Labour agent-sleeper cell Is he serious ?! I thought she was waiting for her Christmas bonus from Putin. Via the Cayman Islands of course. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 16, 2022 12:52:54 GMT
jib “ You won't change my mind, and you won't change mine.” Only thing worse than the above sentence construction - and the fact that is makes no sense at all - is the fact that it’s actually YOU who prolong this stuff and who keeps banging on about leaving the EU. Constantly responding by insulting posters, as you regularly do, is hardly likely to close down this tedious debate. It's called 'having the last word syndrome' Crofters. There's no need to respond. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 12:57:57 GMT
Watched LK just to compare views. Same cast-different show ! Different specs obviously Tesco bloke + Union lady agree-Tories rubbish. Hancock asked if he is "embarrassed" by it all. Hunt explains how he will unwind his bosses core policies. Reynolds had a field day-open goals everywhere.This bit prompted a thought. As usual a Lab representative avoids answering the " will you put up taxes" question. But Hunt has just signaled that taxes may have to rise. So Lab don't need to worry about the perceived negative of tax rises. Cons will be there before them. Just settling down with my Sunday Times before the match-and read an astonishing piece from Lawson jnr:- " Agent Truss: mission achieved for Labour There can be only one explanation for the PM’s self-destructive behaviour" he claims Truss is a Labour agent-sleeper cell Is he serious ?! I thought she was waiting for her Christmas bonus from Putin. Via the Cayman Islands of course. This is Lawson's closing thought :- "Never mind what Conservative MPs think; how about the electorate as a whole? According to the latest YouGov poll, 9 per cent of the public “think that Conservative members chose the right leader this summer”. That is not a typo: 9 per cent. In this context it is essential for Labour that Truss is not rapidly deposed. So we can take it that the decision to sack her chancellor to save her own skin was dictated by her controller. The order would not have required detectable telephone calls: it could have been communicated by an agreed code for “Eliminate useful idiot Kwarteng now”: for example, by Angela Rayner wearing a trouser suit during the most recent prime minister’s questions. And here’s the final clue. A little while ago, in an interview for Nick Robinson’s podcast Political Thinking, Truss, asked about her father’s view of her rise to the highest ranks of the Conservative Party, said: “My dad is still struggling. Sometimes he thinks I’m a sleeper working from inside to overthrow the regime.” Anyone familiar with such matters will know that the double agent sometimes has an uncontrollable urge to hint at the truth. All right, Agent Truss is a fantasy. But it’s as good an explanation as any." I wonder if it is a fantasy though ................ |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 16, 2022 13:06:45 GMT
Ironic really when you consider the history (across all religions) of religions leaders being persecuted for verbally challenging the ruling political authorities. Some have - far more often they have eagerly propped up whatever the establishment of the day was and condemned those arguing against it. For a current example see Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church, Vladimir Putin's best mate. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 16, 2022 13:08:10 GMT
Just settling down with my Sunday Times before the match-and read an astonishing piece from Lawson jnr:- " Agent Truss: mission achieved for Labour There can be only one explanation for the PM’s self-destructive behaviour" he claims Truss is a Labour agent-sleeper cell Is he serious ?! Well she was in the Lib Dems once.  |
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Post by RAF on Oct 16, 2022 13:10:01 GMT
I thought she was waiting for her Christmas bonus from Putin. Via the Cayman Islands of course. This is Lawson's closing thought :- "Never mind what Conservative MPs think; how about the electorate as a whole? According to the latest YouGov poll, 9 per cent of the public “think that Conservative members chose the right leader this summer”. That is not a typo: 9 per cent. In this context it is essential for Labour that Truss is not rapidly deposed. So we can take it that the decision to sack her chancellor to save her own skin was dictated by her controller. The order would not have required detectable telephone calls: it could have been communicated by an agreed code for “Eliminate useful idiot Kwarteng now”: for example, by Angela Rayner wearing a trouser suit during the most recent prime minister’s questions. And here’s the final clue. A little while ago, in an interview for Nick Robinson’s podcast Political Thinking, Truss, asked about her father’s view of her rise to the highest ranks of the Conservative Party, said: “My dad is still struggling. Sometimes he thinks I’m a sleeper working from inside to overthrow the regime.” Anyone familiar with such matters will know that the double agent sometimes has an uncontrollable urge to hint at the truth. All right, Agent Truss is a fantasy. But it’s as good an explanation as any." I wonder if it is a fantasy though ................ Good stuff, colin! The sliver of truth is probably that Liz is not, and probably never was, a fully paid up member of the IEA vision of the world. She is after all a political weathervane. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 16, 2022 13:17:02 GMT
Talk of Angela Rayner and trouser suits makes me wonder if now we have a female Prime Minister we will be reading stories in the Tory press that Keir Starmer is distracting her at PMQs by crossing and uncrossing his legs?
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Post by mercian on Oct 16, 2022 13:22:16 GMT
Talk of Angela Rayner and trouser suits makes me wonder if now we have a female Prime Minister we will be reading stories in the Tory press that Keir Starmer is distracting her at PMQs by crossing and uncrossing his legs? I was going to content myself with a 'like', but then had a horrible thought - what if Eddie Izzard gets into Parliament and does the same? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 13:36:32 GMT
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Post by jib on Oct 16, 2022 13:47:45 GMT
jib“ You won't change my mind, and you won't change mine.” Only thing worse than the above sentence construction - and the fact that is makes no sense at all - is the fact that it’s actually YOU who prolong this stuff and who keeps banging on about leaving the EU. Constantly responding by insulting posters, as you regularly do, is hardly likely to close down this tedious debate. That should have read "You won't change my mind, and you won't change your mind" It is tedious I agree, even if it is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. |
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Post by jib on Oct 16, 2022 13:51:23 GMT
More bitter remainders for our resident head case to chastise. In this instant it's that well know bastion of remainer wokeness the Telegraph youtu.be/ntyPGPaJueIThank you, I guess your insinuation is aimed at me. You sad denialist Lib Dem! |
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Post by jayblanc on Oct 16, 2022 15:04:09 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 16, 2022 15:11:04 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 16, 2022 15:15:44 GMT
Amazing pro-tip for people who are about to reply to something you believe is intended to rattle and upset you. View AttachmentSave the hassle of wasting who knows how much time, just report the post as directed harassment and silently move on. No longer will you have to spend several minutes coming up with five hundred word 'witty' responses. This amazing life hack will prevent endless sub-threads about bullying, sniping at people, and accusing each other of ad-hominim strawmen gaslighting. It's a simple trick that will prevent you churning out empty essays and manifestos absent content. I've got a good mind to report that post. It's blatant harassment of those who love all the ' endless sub-threads about bullying, sniping at people, and accusing each other of ad-hominem strawmen gaslighting'. And what about all the classic cars, football, allotment, hemline, tunes, filums, Barnard Castle woods (?) etc posts, should they be reported too? |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 16, 2022 15:16:34 GMT
Forget Brexit, it's all about Truxit now.
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Post by davwel on Oct 16, 2022 15:26:26 GMT
@ mandolinist
I agree that Justin Welby has been disappointing, but wouldn`t want to rank archbishops.
We did have a choir colleague who was at Canterbury interviews a while back to help his brother, who was an able candidate. Afterwards he told me about the experience, and the big thing that I remember was his feeling about the selection committee.
His verdict was they were prejudiced Southern English with narrow, outdated attitudes, so there was not a chance for a selection on ability.
It reminds me very much of the Tory members voting last summer on Truss. But the rejected candidate is still active and generally approved - maybe Sunak will move to a role that fits his talents.
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Post by lefthanging on Oct 16, 2022 15:30:05 GMT
mandolinist - "..as an atheist I have no skin in this at all,..." I think, in this context, rather than "skin" it must be "soul"? In classical metaphysics the soul is not a separate spiritual substance floating above somebody's head, but instead is simply the 'form' of the body - which means something like the definition of the body, or the body's characteristic and defining way of being. Now matter and form - body and soul - are in principle inseparable, which means that to have skin in the game is, necessarily, to have soul in the game also.  |
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Post by caroline on Oct 16, 2022 15:36:26 GMT
Just settling down with my Sunday Times before the match-and read an astonishing piece from Lawson jnr:- " Agent Truss: mission achieved for Labour There can be only one explanation for the PM’s self-destructive behaviour" he claims Truss is a Labour agent-sleeper cell Is he serious ?! Well she was in the Lib Dems once. That got her started but I've just found out that in the early 80’s Truss used to attend secret caucus meetings of the International Socialists (a Marxist organisation with a Trot. agenda). Aim to destroy capitalism. At the time she claimed that the only way to do this was to get legitimate political power. There was no chance in the Lib.Dems and Labour was too reformist. Revolution will come through chaos but you first have to break down the structures of the state. |
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Post by lefthanging on Oct 16, 2022 15:36:30 GMT
mandolinist more seriously your question intrigued me. I actually tend to think that Welby has been pretty good speaking up on social issues. The context of my thinking is that while (in recent history) the Church of England has generally been okay on some of the 'safer' identify issues - calling out racial discrimination etc. - it has tended to avoid tougher discussions about redistribution and economics, presumably out of fear of being labelled too 'political'. Welby however seems quite happy to be 'political' when necessary - in your link he states that he can't see a moral case of the government's policies, and even criticises it from an explicitly economic perspective: “I’m deeply sceptical about trickle-down theory. You know, if you cut money for the rich, ever since Keynes wrote his general theory in 1936, whenever it was, he showed very clearly that the rich save if they’ve got enough to live on. So if you want to generate spending in the economy, you put more money into the hands of those who need the money to buy food, to buy goods, to buy basic necessities.” However you've made me think and you may be right that he could be quicker to speak up at times. Certainly he should speak out more often. But I think the most important thing is that - when he does speak - at least he does so on the side of the poor, the marginalised, the oppressed. Exactly where any vicar of Christ - and every Christian - should be.
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 16, 2022 15:43:50 GMT
I've got a good mind to report that post. It's blatant harassment of those who love all the ' endless sub-threads about bullying, sniping at people, and accusing each other of ad-hominem strawmen gaslighting'. And what about all the classic cars, football, allotment, hemline, tunes, filums, Barnard Castle woods (?) etc posts, should they be reported too? Yes, definitely, to all of those. But not ones about cricket obviously. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 15:50:47 GMT
Out of courtesy to the very popular crossbat11 can I ask if people refrain from posting about Aston Villa’s home defeat and their position near the foot of the Premiership table? Thankyou. Paul |
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Post by mercian on Oct 16, 2022 15:54:29 GMT
mandolinist more seriously your question intrigued me. I actually tend to think that Welby has been pretty good speaking up on social issues. The context of my thinking is that while (in recent history) the Church of England has generally been okay on some of the 'safer' identify issues - calling out racial discrimination etc. - it has tended to avoid tougher discussions about redistribution and economics, presumably out of fear of being labelled too 'political'. Welby however seems quite happy to be 'political' when necessary - in your link he states that he can't see a moral case of the government's policies, and even criticises it from an explicitly economic perspective: “I’m deeply sceptical about trickle-down theory. You know, if you cut money for the rich, ever since Keynes wrote his general theory in 1936, whenever it was, he showed very clearly that the rich save if they’ve got enough to live on. So if you want to generate spending in the economy, you put more money into the hands of those who need the money to buy food, to buy goods, to buy basic necessities.” However you've made me think and you may be right that he could be quicker to speak up at times. Certainly he should speak out more often. But I think the most important thing is that - when he does speak - at least he does so on the side of the poor, the marginalised, the oppressed. Exactly where any vicar of Christ - and every Christian - should be. It's a fine line, but clerics should stay out of politics. Didn't Jesus say "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's"? |
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Post by mercian on Oct 16, 2022 15:55:41 GMT
Well she was in the Lib Dems once. That got her started but I've just found out that in the early 80’s Truss used to attend secret caucus meetings of the International Socialists (a Marxist organisation with a Trot. agenda). Aim to destroy capitalism. At the time she claimed that the only way to do this was to get legitimate political power. There was no chance in the Lib.Dems and Labour was too reformist. Revolution will come through chaos but you first have to break down the structures of the state. That explains a lot. She's either a sleeper agent or hopelessly bad at the job. |
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Post by alec on Oct 16, 2022 15:56:03 GMT
@crofty - when you say "near the foot of the Premiership table", how near do you mean?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 16:01:41 GMT
@crofty - when you say "near the foot of the Premiership table", how near do you mean? Oh, I don’t want to be specific Alec - you can look it up if you want. (They’re just a point away from the relegation zone but I’m sure they will come good before the end of the season.) |
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Post by caroline on Oct 16, 2022 16:03:50 GMT
mandolinist more seriously your question intrigued me. I actually tend to think that Welby has been pretty good speaking up on social issues. The context of my thinking is that while (in recent history) the Church of England has generally been okay on some of the 'safer' identify issues - calling out racial discrimination etc. - it has tended to avoid tougher discussions about redistribution and economics, presumably out of fear of being labelled too 'political'. Welby however seems quite happy to be 'political' when necessary - in your link he states that he can't see a moral case of the government's policies, and even criticises it from an explicitly economic perspective: “I’m deeply sceptical about trickle-down theory. You know, if you cut money for the rich, ever since Keynes wrote his general theory in 1936, whenever it was, he showed very clearly that the rich save if they’ve got enough to live on. So if you want to generate spending in the economy, you put more money into the hands of those who need the money to buy food, to buy goods, to buy basic necessities.” However you've made me think and you may be right that he could be quicker to speak up at times. Certainly he should speak out more often. But I think the most important thing is that - when he does speak - at least he does so on the side of the poor, the marginalised, the oppressed. Exactly where any vicar of Christ - and every Christian - should be. It's a fine line, but clerics should stay out of politics. Didn't Jesus say "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's"? Then why do we have Bishops in the House of Lords? |
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Post by johntel on Oct 16, 2022 16:05:46 GMT
@crofty - when you say "near the foot of the Premiership table", how near do you mean? @crofty alec it would be courteous to wait until he's got back from the match at least before rubbing it in. |
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