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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 15:11:49 GMT
Would not someone such as Truss ...be advised to revert to the practices of her more distant predecessors? and resign? |
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Post by domjg on Oct 14, 2022 15:12:13 GMT
Judging by Tory MPs reactions to the Truss press non-conference being reported by multiple journalists it is starting to look like Truss will struggle to survive the next week. EDIT - the markets don't seem enthused either. "EDIT - the markets don't seem enthused either" - To be very cliched trust is easy to lose and very hard to regain. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 15:12:49 GMT
I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit here - and fully expect to be shot down , but in reading the very dismissive comments of her news conference - particularly her failure to only take four questions - it does occur to me that until at least the mid- 1950s senior politicians of all parties only appeared in front of newsreel cameras or radio microphones when they had something they wished to say. I do not recall seeing footage or hearing recordings of Churchill - Attlee - Chamberlain - Baldwin - Macdonald - Lloyd George et al being interviewed by any reporters. Would not someone such as Truss - who clearly lacks modern media skills - be advised to revert to the practices of her more distant predecessors? |
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Post by alec on Oct 14, 2022 15:15:16 GMT
graham - I saw a great clip on Clem Atlee being doorstepped by a BBC reporter as he left a building. The reporter ask "would you like to say something about your housing policy Prime Minister?" to which Atlee just said "no thankyou" and walked on. Those were the days.
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 15:15:53 GMT
Good man. Crossbat11 is one of my favourite posters too. You have no taste, and I think I've told you that before. You need to suck less lemons. And, as you modestly admit, you really must do better. Marmite happens to be one of my favourite savoury spreads as it happens. But, there again, I'm so in love with myself that I'm sometimes tempted to take I bite out of my own succulent and corpulent self. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 15:17:15 GMT
Find him a bit marmite myself. I particularly like how humble he is. |
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Post by oldnat on Oct 14, 2022 15:20:11 GMT
oldnat Wolfe chose the highlanders because he considered them his most effective soldiers. Given that Wolfe was killed while engaged in the attack perhaps not the best choice of filthy English imperialist sending plucky Scots off to die wouldn't you think? |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 15:21:44 GMT
I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit here - and fully expect to be shot down , but in reading the very dismissive comments of her news conference - particularly her failure to only take four questions - it does occur to me that until at least the mid- 1950s senior politicians of all parties only appeared in front of newsreel cameras or radio microphones when they had something they wished to say. I do not recall seeing footage or hearing recordings of Churchill - Attlee - Chamberlain - Baldwin - Macdonald - Lloyd George et al being interviewed by any reporters. Would not someone such as Truss - who clearly lacks modern media skills - be advised to revert to the practices of her more distant predecessors? I think the key point there is "when they had something to say". In this case her own MPs, as well as journalists and perhaps the markets too, were expecting her to say quite a lot, so when she chose not to, she took yet another hit. Apparently the whole thing, including the 4 questions, lasted 9 minutes. Anyway, those were more deferential times. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 15:22:04 GMT
I particularly like how humble he is. Crikey. Behind the bike sheds? If I were you, domjg, I'd run for the hills. Neither crofty nor lemon Lulu would be my go-to meets in that legendary rendezvous. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 15:24:38 GMT
oldnat Wolfe chose the highlanders because he considered them his most effective soldiers. Given that Wolfe was killed while engaged in the attack perhaps not the best choice of filthy English imperialist sending plucky Scots off to die wouldn't you think? It should be noted they were fighting another set of European imperialists, so a draw in moral term I guess. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 15:27:57 GMT
You know you have reached the end of the road when even Michael Fabricant won't come out to bat for you I see your Michael Fabricant and raise you a Christoper Chope: "Uh oh - even staunch Truss backer Christopher Chope is in dismay after that presser. He tells Times Radio the Tory party is a 'laughing stock' & Conservative economic agenda is 'trashed', adding: 'I don’t know where to go from here frankly'" |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 15:41:51 GMT
oldnat Wolfe chose the highlanders because he considered them his most effective soldiers. Given that Wolfe was killed while engaged in the attack perhaps not the best choice of filthy English imperialist sending plucky Scots off to die wouldn't you think? , f rom an historical perspective I very much doubt the soldiers themselves would have seen it in those terms. In fact all of those involved from private to general were probably much more motivated by personal economic factors rather than Imperial expansionism. When Empires expand, such as the British or Roman ones for example, often it is due to certain dynamics around individuals seeking wealth opportunities or prestige rather than someone sitting at a desk moving pieces around the map, which is much more a feature of mature empires.
I totally agree, that a feature of Empires is often to levy troops from one region and deploy them in another (classic Austro-Hungarian approach), but again that tend to be when an Empire is more established rather than in its expansionist phase. |
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Post by jib on Oct 14, 2022 15:42:12 GMT
Looks like the death throes of Truss.
The deed will be done over the weekend and those dreaded What's App groups.
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Post by peterbell on Oct 14, 2022 15:45:06 GMT
Prof Danny Blanchflower telling Sky that he can't see Truss being in position by the end of next week.
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Post by mandolinist on Oct 14, 2022 15:47:16 GMT
Surely it must be time for an election, it just can't go on. We will all be living a junk status country by Monday. I feel I am going to have to watch the ghastly Kunesburg again on Sunday, shudder.
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 15:49:43 GMT
Have the Tories, via a torturous, circuitous and disastrous route finally arrived at the man they should have chosen all along once Johnson went?
Jeremy Hunt; the Red Adair of the Tory Party. Running towards the danger while a lot of his colleagues are scarpering in the opposite direction.
Too late, I think, but signs of sentient life still present, maybe, within the party that has a habit of always surviving somehow.
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Post by domjg on Oct 14, 2022 15:52:02 GMT
Be carful or that school bully Crofty will be having a go at you behind the bike sheds after school. Crikey. Behind the bike sheds? If I were you, domjg, I'd run for the hills. Neither crofty nor lemon Lulu would be my go-to meets in that legendary rendezvous. Aargh, I'm outta here... |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 15:53:34 GMT
Surely it must be time for an election, it just can't go on. We will all be living a junk status country by Monday. I feel I am going to have to watch the ghastly Kunesburg again on Sunday, shudder. , if you have access to sky I would strongly suggest Sophie instead.On a totally unrelated note, I have to admit to a guilty pleasure of liking Taylor Swift, who has a new album out. Was wondering if you and other musos on the sight rate her. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 15:56:09 GMT
Prof Danny Blanchflower telling Sky that he can't see Truss being in position by the end of next week. What a great footballer he was. Bill Nicholson's Spurs-John White, Jimmy Greaves, Bobby Smith. Cliff Jones. The majestic Blanchflower .   Those were the days. |
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Post by johntel on Oct 14, 2022 15:57:27 GMT
Be carful or that school bully Crofty will be having a go at you behind the bike sheds after school. Crikey. Behind the bike sheds? If I were you, domjg, I'd run for the hills. Neither crofty nor lemon Lulu would be my go-to meets in that legendary rendezvous. In the days when smoking wasn't bad for you behind the bike sheds was the place to do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 15:58:34 GMT
Surely it must be time for an election, She may be incompetent. But she isn't suicidal. |
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Post by mandolinist on Oct 14, 2022 16:03:43 GMT
Surely it must be time for an election, it just can't go on. We will all be living a junk status country by Monday. I feel I am going to have to watch the ghastly Kunesburg again on Sunday, shudder. , if you have access to sky I would strongly suggest Sophie instead.On a totally unrelated note, I have to admit to a guilty pleasure of liking Taylor Swift, who has a new album out. Was wondering if you and other musos on the sight rate her. We all have our guilty secrets in musical taste. Mine is Iris de Mente (sp?) a very feminist country singer. I have never knowingly listened to Taylor Swift, I might now feel obliged to give her a whirl. |
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Post by shevii on Oct 14, 2022 16:09:11 GMT
If the Tory MPs (and most didn't want Truss anyway) do want a coup then surely they should be getting some polling on Tory Party membership? I think Conservative Home do regular surveys which will give some idea of how Truss has gone down with the members but Opinium in particular were pretty close. It's a weird situation because it's not like Truss (before she did the u-turns) didn't do what she said she was going to do so it's the members fault. Also really weird that she can sack a Chancellor who also did what she wanted him to do.
Any poll movements when Hunt gets his feet under the table (if he hasn't resigned in a week) will be interesting to see if there is much in the way of swingback but I wouldn't expect much as the image is still of incompetent Tories running around like headless chickens.
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Post by ptarmigan on Oct 14, 2022 16:15:44 GMT
Given how many chaotic episodes there have been over the last seven years, today was one of those days where I had a wry smile to myself thinking about "chaos with Ed Miliband", so I was amused to see this from the man himself:
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 16:16:24 GMT
Hi mandolinist , if you have access to sky I would strongly suggest Sophie instead.On a totally unrelated note, I have to admit to a guilty pleasure of liking Taylor Swift, who has a new album out. Was wondering if you and other musos on the sight rate her. We all have our guilty secrets in musical taste. Mine is Iris de Mente (sp?) a very feminist country singer. I have never knowingly listened to Taylor Swift, I might now feel obliged to give her a whirl. . |
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Post by kay9 on Oct 14, 2022 16:16:53 GMT
bardin1 “ I'd recommend George Macdonald Fraser's The General Danced at Dawn (1970) and McAuslan in the Rough (1974) - very funny short stories about the Gordon Highlanders - I think they are set in National service days but can't really member to be fair.” I first read about McAuslan many years ago, and I found the books the funniest I have ever read. I found that you can read them online at this address: silo.pub/the-complete-mcauslan.htmlWhen I saw the soldiers carrying the Queen’s coffin into St Giles Cathedral, I was reminded of the chapter Johnnie Cope in the morning, and I re-read it. The beginning is the funny part, but in the second half of it viewed racial prejudice in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War, from the point of view of the author in the mid-70’s. If you read this story, or if you know of it already, you will realise why I thought of this during the recent events.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 16:20:09 GMT
Crikey. Behind the bike sheds? If I were you, domjg, I'd run for the hills. Neither crofty nor lemon Lulu would be my go-to meets in that legendary rendezvous. Aargh, I'm outta here... |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 14, 2022 16:20:57 GMT
Crikey. Behind the bike sheds? If I were you, domjg, I'd run for the hills. Neither crofty nor lemon Lulu would be my go-to meets in that legendary rendezvous. In the days when smoking wasn't bad for you behind the bike sheds was the place to do it. I was just thinking it must be thigh deep in fag ends by now. My alma mater (Manor County Secondary, Ruislip) had another furtive smoking venue, the boys toilets. They were in one corner of the site, a 20 yard walk from the main school buildings. The urinal gutter area was open air, though the four cubicles shared a roof. Of course no heating and no wash basins, though there were basins back in the school building. I guess you'd call them 'character forming', but in the Big Freeze of '63 the depth of really foul looking ice that layered the floor meant anyone who entered stood a good 6 to 9ins taller than normal and woe betide anyone who slipped on the treacherous surface. I often wonder if the family living in the '80's built house whose garden now covers the area of The Bogs, realise the cultural significance of that hallowed corner. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 16:27:34 GMT
Prof Danny Blanchflower telling Sky that he can't see Truss being in position by the end of next week. What a great footballer he was. Bill Nicholson's Spurs-John White, Jimmy Greaves, Bobby Smith. Cliff Jones. The majestic Blanchflower . Those were the days. Welcome to my world of gratuitous football references and metaphors, Colin. Blanchflower played for the Villa in the early 50s before joining the great and all conquering Spurs side you mention. He went on to become a great writer on football too after his playing days were over. Also one of only two people to ever refuse Eamon Andrews offer of the Red Book, leaving a "This is Your Life", studio full of his relatives and friends, high and dry! No way, Eamon he said, and stuck to his guns. He also wrote these words. Just about the greatest words I've ever read on the grand old game. A lesson that should never be unlearned or lost. Sadly I fear it may have been in much of the modern game: - "The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom." |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 14, 2022 16:30:07 GMT
So, say there are two years to go before a GE.
That's something like 700 or so days to go.
At 38DPC (Days per Chancellor) that's 19 more the Tory party have to find.
And given the rate of PM change, probably at least one, maybe two of those before we get a chance of booting them out.
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