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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 13:05:50 GMT
So is the UK about to have the fourth Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer since July 2022 ( the same number as Labour has had since 1967 as pointed out on Twiiter)? Jenkins, Healey, Brown, Darling - political heavyweights all. Javid, Sunak, Zahawi, Kwarteng ... not so much. And now Hunt. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 13:07:35 GMT
It's reassuring that so many people are declaring that they have nothing against me. That said, I seek, and probably deserve, much more positive endorsement than that. Declarations of unending love are more my staple. Fear and loathing more preferable even than nothing against. You can have nothing against deep fried Mars bars, as I'm sure Old Nat hasn't, but never eat them. In the round, I'm not wounded but probably disappointed. In future, I will eschew blandness and err on the side of vitriol mixed in with some light fawning and ingratiation. Help, the stalker is still after me. I know how Trevor the Warnster feels now. Maybe if he's still out there he'll spring to my defence. My problem is that Lulu has many Luvvers on here and I can't compete with her popularity. I was a fan too in the To Sir with Love days and I thought Shout was a half decent little ditty when I was knee high to a grasshopper. I was even warming to the skirts debate on here too not long ago, but Lulu has invoked her bitter and citric side now. Not a Luvver any more, sadly. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 13:11:28 GMT
Rumour that Chancellorship to be offered to Jeremy Hunt. I think mandolinist predicted he would be PM by Christmas? If he takes the CoE job then this becomes a more realistic possibility. Actually, it was Hunt as LOTO, Starmer as PM. Now, call me Nostrodamus.
Will Truss call an election this PM?
I very much doubt his appointment will be a silver bullet leading to a massive revival in Truss and her government's fortunes, but it may signal the end to a long succession of own goals and self-inflicted damage. |
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Post by robbiealive on Oct 14, 2022 13:32:36 GMT
Didn't Leslie Thomas write one (or perhaps two) about national service : The Virgin Soldiers if I remember correctly It did however put me in mind of my favourite programme as a 15 year old Get Some In liked by me mainly because Jakey Smiff (three f's ) was a Teddy Boy I liked Virgin Soldiers set in the Malaya emergency. The only other one I know is D. Lodge, Ginger You're Barmy, which relayed the more typical boredom & futility of the conscripts' lives who never left England. Thank god we were spared that rubbish. There were lots of great books about WW1 by Graves, Sassoon, Erich von Remarque etc although they took years to come out. Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy is v cynical about WW2 which for him was the end of civilization, but v funny. A. Powell gives us 3 funny novels as well. For both, war brought them into contact with a society & people they had never known. Don't know of any non-posh authors who wrote about that war. Never heard of Get Some In. Must have been broadvast in the years when I was out all the time n didn t watch much telly! |
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Post by alec on Oct 14, 2022 13:36:39 GMT
Truss the Chair, Hunt the CFO, Gove and Sunak the fallen fruit on the backbenches......
Don't think we ever had that iteration of the endless permutations.
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 13:41:11 GMT
Truss the Chair, Hunt the CFO, Gove and Sunak the fallen fruit on the backbenches...... Don't think we ever had that iteration of the endless permutations. Truss the temp? |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 13:42:23 GMT
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Post by mercian on Oct 14, 2022 13:43:33 GMT
It's reassuring that so many people are declaring that they have nothing against me. That said, I seek, and probably deserve, much more positive endorsement than that. Declarations of unending love are more my staple. Fear and loathing more preferable even than nothing against. You can have nothing against deep fried Mars bars, as I'm sure Old Nat hasn't, but never eat them. In the round, I'm not wounded but probably disappointed. In future, I will eschew blandness and err on the side of vitriol mixed in with some light fawning and ingratiation. I would wholeheartedly endorse the lukewarm non-appreciation of crossbat11 . Apart from the fact that he owes me a pint. 😁 EDIT: The emoji is partly to annoy robbiealive |
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Post by steve on Oct 14, 2022 13:48:41 GMT
Well that was embarrassing.
"Let's take questions, where are the Tories?" Telegraph, umm Sun, umm BBC , now I'm off!
Ffs!!!!
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 14, 2022 13:49:50 GMT
Didn't Leslie Thomas write one (or perhaps two) about national service : The Virgin Soldiers if I remember correctly It did however put me in mind of my favourite programme as a 15 year old Get Some In liked by me mainly because Jakey Smiff (three f's ) was a Teddy Boy I liked Virgin Soldiers set in the Malaya emergency. The only other one I know is D. Lodge, Ginger You're Barmy, which relayed the more typical boredom & futility of the conscripts' lives who never left England. Thank god we were spared that rubbish. There were lots of great books about WW1 by Graves, Sassoon, Erich von Remarque etc although they took years to come out. Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy is v cynical about WW2 which for him was the end of civilization, but v funny. A. Powell gives us 3 funny novels as well. For both, war brought them into contact with a society & people they had never known. Don't know of any non-posh authors who wrote about that war. Never heard of Get Some In. Must have been broadvast in the years when I was out all the time n didn t watch much telly! I'd recommend George Macdonald Fraser's The General Danced at Dawn (1970) and McAuslan in the Rough (1974) - very funny short stories about the Gordon Highlanders - I think they are set in National service days but can't really member to be fair. They're very good though. And being more relevant to this site one of my prized possessions, which tickled me somewhat when i discovered the provenance, is a copy of the first edition of Flashman, with Harvey Proctor's bookplate affixed to the front pastedown |
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Post by johntel on Oct 14, 2022 13:51:31 GMT
Can't see Hunt surviving the general election massacre. Spot on, he'll be a goner when the Surrey blue wall turns yellowy orange. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 13:54:50 GMT
I shall miss Truss.
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Post by domjg on Oct 14, 2022 13:56:34 GMT
Actually, it was Hunt as LOTO, Starmer as PM. Now, call me Nostrodamus.
Will Truss call an election this PM?
I very much doubt his appointment will be a silver bullet leading to a massive revival in Truss and her government's fortunes, but it may signal the end to a long succession of own goals and self-inflicted damage. "someone who while being incredibly ambitious, is heavily reliant on others for ideas, focus and organisation" - I reckon we've all come across people like this in our working lives! I honestly can't see how on earth they can work together but doubt they'll have to for long. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 14, 2022 13:57:08 GMT
"Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive But to be young was very heaven." Wordsworth in his radical days. I suppose everyone feels like that when young, or used to! Of course he ended a rancorous old Tory. "Oh, to be alive in such an age, when miracles are everywhere, and every inch of common air throbs a tremendous prophecy, of greater marvels yet to be". Culled this one Whitman. Not as good. Certainly "every inch of common air" is pretty bad. This more like "Growing Up in An Age of Anxiety" not " . .. . . .Optimism". Blimey Robbie, you must have wasted your whole life reading instead of learning the guitar. He's not got the thumb nails for plucking. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 13:58:51 GMT
mercian
You're quite right; my round next time!
I will honour my debt at a time and place to be decided. Obviously somewhere cheaper than that boozer in Droitwich!
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Post by domjg on Oct 14, 2022 14:01:03 GMT
It's reassuring that so many people are declaring that they have nothing against me. That said, I seek, and probably deserve, much more positive endorsement than that. Declarations of unending love are more my staple. Fear and loathing more preferable even than nothing against. You can have nothing against deep fried Mars bars, as I'm sure Old Nat hasn't, but never eat them. In the round, I'm not wounded but probably disappointed. In future, I will eschew blandness and err on the side of vitriol mixed in with some light fawning and ingratiation. never had you down as needing validation! Still one of my favourite posters! |
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Post by steve on Oct 14, 2022 14:05:19 GMT
" That was awful even by Truss's standards "
Senior unnamed Tory mp.
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Post by mercian on Oct 14, 2022 14:07:08 GMT
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Oct 14, 2022 14:11:37 GMT
It was looking like there was a good discussion on buses developing when I logged on at lunchtime.
Much more interesting than the passing of an odd Chancellor or two.
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Post by robbiealive on Oct 14, 2022 14:18:25 GMT
I liked Virgin Soldiers set in the Malaya emergency. The only other one I know is D. Lodge, Ginger You're Barmy, which relayed the more typical boredom & futility of the conscripts' lives who never left England. Thank god we were spared that rubbish. There were lots of great books about WW1 by Graves, Sassoon, Erich von Remarque etc although they took years to come out. Waugh's Sword of Honour trilogy is v cynical about WW2 which for him was the end of civilization, but v funny. A. Powell gives us 3 funny novels as well. For both, war brought them into contact with a society & people they had never known. Don't know of any non-posh authors who wrote about that war. Never heard of Get Some In. Must have been broadvast in the years when I was out all the time n didn t watch much telly! I'd recommend George Macdonald Fraser's The General Danced at Dawn (1970) and McAuslan in the Rough (1974) - very funny short stories about the Gordon Highlanders - I think they are set in National service days but can't really member to be fair. They're very good though. And being more relevant to this site one of my prized possessions, which tickled me somewhat when i discovered the provenance, is a copy of the first edition of Flashman, with Harvey Proctor's bookplate affixed to the front pastedown I'll follow up yr recomendations. How do you keep yr books unblemished given yr Highland climate. Proctor of course in the end was the victim of the fantasist Beech & police incompetence. |
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Post by bardin1 on Oct 14, 2022 14:20:59 GMT
I'd recommend George Macdonald Fraser's The General Danced at Dawn (1970) and McAuslan in the Rough (1974) - very funny short stories about the Gordon Highlanders - I think they are set in National service days but can't really member to be fair. They're very good though. And being more relevant to this site one of my prized possessions, which tickled me somewhat when i discovered the provenance, is a copy of the first edition of Flashman, with Harvey Proctor's bookplate affixed to the front pastedown I'll follow up yr recomendations. How do you keep yr books unblemished given yr Highland climate. Proctor of course in the end was the victim of the fantasist Beech & police incompetence. Yes - an interesting case I'd recommend archival mylar jacket protectors if you ave valuable modern books in dustjackets |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 14:30:17 GMT
John, if I was you I'd be more concerned it was only 2 - what about the DKs and will not says?? never had you down as needing validation! Still one of my favourite posters! Good man. Crossbat11 is one of my favourite posters too. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 14:33:51 GMT
I honestly can't see how on earth they can work together but doubt they'll have to for long. Which raises an interesting thought. Hunt is a senior figure. Former Secretary of State three times .Stood for PM. He will not want to be a Zahawi Chancellor. ......so he must have sounded out whoever MPs are going to coronate,* that he will be their CoE too. * if indeed they are-but Hunt will know and have been certain to sound out. Anyway -interesting stuff. Bring on the next Act. edit-forgot these little beauties -  |
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Post by crossbat11 on Oct 14, 2022 14:45:53 GMT
A thought. How many buses and how many thrown bodies is it going to take?
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Post by pjw1961 on Oct 14, 2022 14:52:48 GMT
Judging by Tory MPs reactions to the Truss press non-conference being reported by multiple journalists it is starting to look like Truss will struggle to survive the next week.
EDIT - the markets don't seem enthused either.
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Post by johntel on Oct 14, 2022 14:58:53 GMT
crossbat11 never had you down as needing validation! Still one of my favourite posters! Good man. Crossbat11 is one of my favourite posters too. Colin is my favourite poster. But if Danny's theory about the Tories campaigning to rejoin the EU comes to pass then I'll definitely switch allegiance. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Oct 14, 2022 15:00:41 GMT
crossbat11 never had you down as needing validation! Still one of my favourite posters! Good man. Crossbat11 is one of my favourite posters too. |
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Post by domjg on Oct 14, 2022 15:02:40 GMT
Good man. Crossbat11 is one of my favourite posters too. I particularly like how humble he is. |
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Post by neilj on Oct 14, 2022 15:06:53 GMT
You know you have reached the end of the road when even Michael Fabricant won't come out to bat for you
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Post by graham on Oct 14, 2022 15:07:44 GMT
I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit here - and fully expect to be shot down , but in reading the very dismissive comments of her news conference - particularly her failure to only take four questions - it does occur to me that until at least the mid- 1950s senior politicians of all parties only appeared in front of newsreel cameras or radio microphones when they had something they wished to say. I do not recall seeing footage or hearing recordings of Churchill - Attlee - Chamberlain - Baldwin - Macdonald - Lloyd George et al being interviewed by any reporters. Would not someone such as Truss - who clearly lacks modern media skills - be advised to revert to the practices of her more distant predecessors?
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