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Post by jib on Nov 26, 2022 17:50:31 GMT
I know some folks don't like the flag waving stuff  And "shagging". Steve hates them being shagged. Waving doesnt seem to bother him ? I'm sure there's specialist websites for that sort of thing. He seems to like the videos too. |
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Post by neilj on Nov 26, 2022 17:53:41 GMT
johntel - "Tbh I think the reaction to Trevor's minor naughtiness has been way over the top." Don't think so. It's a general rule of civilized discourse that you don't make up false quotes. That's just straight lying - don't know how else you would describe it? Some of us still believe in factual accuracy, especially when it comes to representing the views of others. Yes but surely Trevor was just adding to the factual accuracy by pointing out who the person worked for? He wasn't changng the meaning in any way. He changed completely what I said. He is entitled to put his own spin on things. As I told him he can quote me and then add what his opinion is after my post, not change what I wrote, making it appear I wrote it. That is basic good manners and am surprised if people think differently |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 17:53:52 GMT
I went into a Welsh pub once when I had a cold. I sneezed, coughed then cleared my throat. The barman nodded and proceeded to serve me a pint of bitter, glass of red wine and a bag of ready salted crisps.  Using the only Welsh I knew I said ' tidy' (translated as 'thanks') but got some very harsh looks. Only later did I realise 'tidy' is Southern.Welsh not Northern.Welsh and that their Northerners don't like their Southerners (although that is something they probably copied from the English) Sylw hiliol anwybodus nodweddiadol o drolio Aontaichte. Beachd gràin-cinnidh àbhaisteach troll aineolach. |
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Post by moby on Nov 26, 2022 18:00:43 GMT
Sylw hiliol anwybodus nodweddiadol o drolio Aontaichte. Beachd gràin-cinnidh àbhaisteach troll aineolach. Gwerthfawrogi'r gefnogaeth |
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Post by oldnat on Nov 26, 2022 18:04:49 GMT
Aontaichte. Beachd gràin-cinnidh àbhaisteach troll aineolach. Gwerthfawrogi'r gefnogaeth A thlachd. |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 18:14:07 GMT
neilj - "That is basic good manners and am surprised if people think differently" Quite.
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Post by James E on Nov 26, 2022 18:14:50 GMT
Bwriad Pleidleisio San Steffan: LAB: 48% (+1) CON: 25% (-1) LDM: 9% (=) RFM: 5% (-1) GRN: 5% (=) Newidiadau w/ 15-16 Tach. Trwy tiGov  |
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2022 18:20:03 GMT
Perhaps just ban me again Mark, given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so. I've got no idea where you got that from. I have merely pointed out something that should not be happening. Not only that, I have also made it clear that there would be no sanction whatsoever, let alone a ban as there wasn't a current board rule in place. Furthermore, I made clear that my admin post was aimed at everyone, not just you. Mark - he pulled it from out of his arse. You don’t need to justify yourself or explain yourself to someone who is patently a troll. No one listens to him. No one cares. Not because he’s right wing - just because his musing, various guises, flipped points of view carry no weight or cohesive argument. He shouldn’t mis-represent people but that’s what people and trolls do when their own politics / views have been laid bare as being ridiculous/ irrelevant/ part of the past. Every time I see a Trevor post I think you’re done. |
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Post by jib on Nov 26, 2022 18:26:41 GMT
Bwriad Pleidleisio San Steffan: LAB: 48% (+1) CON: 25% (-1) LDM: 9% (=) RFM: 5% (-1) GRN: 5% (=) Newidiadau w/ 15-16 Tach. Trwy tiGov Gwych, ond ddim i CONS. Ar ddiwedd iddynt (gobeithio). |
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Post by jib on Nov 26, 2022 18:29:32 GMT
I've got no idea where you got that from. I have merely pointed out something that should not be happening. Not only that, I have also made it clear that there would be no sanction whatsoever, let alone a ban as there wasn't a current board rule in place. Furthermore, I made clear that my admin post was aimed at everyone, not just you. Mark - he pulled it from out of his arse. You don’t need to justify yourself or explain yourself to someone who is patently a troll. No one listens to him. No one cares. Not because he’s right wing - just because his musing, various guises, flipped points of view carry no weight or cohesive argument. He shouldn’t mis-represent people but that’s what people and trolls do when their own politics / views have been laid bare as being ridiculous/ irrelevant/ part of the past. Every time I see a Trevor post I think you’re done. There's plenty of other posters here who pull all sorts from their back end too. Such material is what they use to provoke a rise to their bait, being trolls and all that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 18:37:43 GMT
And "shagging". Steve hates them being shagged. Waving doesnt seem to bother him ? I'm sure there's specialist websites for that sort of thing. He seems to like the videos too. He does. |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 20:05:06 GMT
For those interested, I have just posted an informative thread looking at covid mutations and what may happen next over on the covid discussion. It's very level headed and fact based, but if you click through on a couple of the links it gives some further information on the gene watchers fears for a throwback recombinant variant, crossing Delta with Omicron.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 20:14:16 GMT
Others may already know this but the continuity UKPR site has a seat prediction section. I can't seem to find an explanation of the methodology but it's entertaining to look uo your own constituency if nothing else: pollingreport.uk/seatsSome interesting demographic/redistribution changes apparent in those projections, e.g. although LAB is predicted to take 385 seats, (i.e. c30 fewer than '97 and '01), their gains still include places that never went LAB under Blair, such as Aylesbury, Weston super Mare, IOW and Huntingdon. Unlikely to transpire quite like that, methinks. A not-to-be-sniffed-at 11 LAB gains in Scotland suggested, too, if I counted them correctly.
Interestingly (perhaps) the 2019 Con/Lab split in Huntingdon of 55/22% is virtually identical to that of 1997, which was 55/23. Bearing in mind the massively different overall outcomes of those two elections, it suggests things in Huntingdon and similar constituencies are indeed a-shifting.
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2022 20:19:06 GMT
*** New polling thread alert ***
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Post by mercian on Nov 26, 2022 20:24:22 GMT
That's different to my experience in Wales. Several Welshmen were conversing in English in a pub when I walked in and they immediately switched to what I assume was Welsh (it sounded like gibberish interspersed with regular throat-clearing). This is probably what they were saying butty:- Pwy yw'r dick bach trahaus hwn mae'n edrych ar goll Very good  Did you use Google Translate? I had to I'm afraid. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Nov 26, 2022 20:25:43 GMT
Lionel. I'm partial to genius.
My favourite sportsman on the planet.
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Post by Dave on Nov 26, 2022 20:26:56 GMT
Mark - he pulled it from out of his arse. You don’t need to justify yourself or explain yourself to someone who is patently a troll. No one listens to him. No one cares. Not because he’s right wing - just because his musing, various guises, flipped points of view carry no weight or cohesive argument. He shouldn’t mis-represent people but that’s what people and trolls do when their own politics / views have been laid bare as being ridiculous/ irrelevant/ part of the past. Every time I see a Trevor post I think you’re done. There's plenty of other posters here who pull all sorts from their back end too. Such material is what they use to provoke a rise to their bait, being trolls and all that. Self-awareness is a wonderful thing. |
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Post by mercian on Nov 26, 2022 20:49:44 GMT
graham 'I don't see what can prevent sitting Tory MPs agreeing to stand again whilst possibly changing their minds nearer to the election' I thought the sane thing, many may wait a few months to see if there is any recovery in the tory fortunes and make the decision at a much later stage. Nothing the tory party or any party can do to stop them doing it I wondered that too. Initially I thought there was some parliamentary procedure about notifying an intention to stand down before the next election, but all I could find seems to be a CCHQ edict about giving them until December 5 to make their decision (based on stories in the Daily Mail and Independent, though the DM seems to be quoting an earlier Times article) "Tory leaders are bracing for as many as 80 MPs to announce they will not fight the next election, expected in 2024, the Times reported. They have been given until December 5 this year to make a decision." While it is entirely possible that some Tory MPs might want to change their minds, that might upset head office, if they have planned out the next prospective candidate for a constituency, only to have to revert to the original incumbent. That compares to 74 (or 76) from all parties in 2019. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MPs_who_stood_down_at_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election |
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Post by mercian on Nov 26, 2022 20:54:54 GMT
*** ADMIN *** NeilJ (to TW): " Do not alter my posts to make it appear I wrote something I did not."I wondered what this was about. A quick review of posts revealed that TW had changed what NeilJ wrote, from: "Hard hitting from tory Minister Andrew Mitchell" To: "NeilJ said: Hard hitting twitter feed from Patrick Wintour (diplomatic editor for the Guardian)" In my view, manufacturing quotes from other posters should be entirely unacceptable in a forum like this and I hope Mark will take note. Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable. I had considered adding it to the rules in the early days of UKPR2, but, never really got round to it as I felt that it was something that was not needed as it dealt with a problem that didn't exist. As there is currently nothing in the rules that covers this, there will be no sanction, but, I will warn all members that this will not always be the case and strongly urge all members not to misquote others in the future. If (more likely when - and soon) there is a rule change to cover this, members will be informed in advance. One thing you'd have to be careful about is if a poster goes back and edits what he originally wrote him/herself, but in the meantime someone else has quoted the original post. This happened to me once, and it looks as though the quoter has altered something but they haven't. |
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Post by steve on Nov 26, 2022 21:59:11 GMT
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Post by Danny on Nov 27, 2022 6:03:32 GMT
Should such screening be banned? Not a question for me really. You need to ask a person with Down Syndrome-like Heidi Crowter. ....Even the Nazis didn't target people with Down Syndrome- Having had family experience of something similar, a severely disabled person could cost half a million pounds a year to take care of. Such care is nowhere near funded in the UK currently, so they dont get it. On the other hand, severely disabled people nowadays do live longer than they used to, which reflects they do get better care. So what do you want to do? Stop treating cancer on the NHS, and instead pay for that care? Its like spending half a trillion pounds on covid lockdown and pretending all that money wasnt spend instead of something else which would have been far more beneficial. The situation with abortion isnt quite the same, because there is also the issue of the mother's wishes to have that baby (or not). I dont believe any person has a right to take over the body of another as a life support system. Any woman should have a right to an abortion, so I guess I would agree with the protestors, the time limit for all sorts of abortion should be lengthened to match that for such diseases. If society owes a duty of care to the foetus, the mother does not. And then there is the issue of the mother's next baby, because if her life is turned into one of caring for the first child which doesnt get aborted, then it means she will never have the second child or maybe third too, which she would have had had the high care needs child not been born. If Downs syndrome persons make an argument they have a right to life, then so does this unconceived person who would have been conveived had they not survived to be born. Theres a pretty good chance that denying an abortion means another person in the future just lost their right to life. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 27, 2022 6:05:02 GMT
For those interested, I have just posted an informative thread looking at covid mutations and what may happen next over on the covid discussion. It's very level headed and fact based, but if you click through on a couple of the links it gives some further information on the gene watchers fears for a throwback recombinant variant, crossing Delta with Omicron. Surely, if someone has already had both delta and omicron, then whatever mutation each had which allowed it success will already have been covered by your immune system, so they will be no threat? Or are you arguing a 'best of both' might together be able to infect people who have only had the vacination? Most people will have been infected by the actual viruses as they came through whether or not they had a vaccine, but of course the group least likely to have had them are the oldest people who have been shielding, who are at most risk. Managing covid has always been about protecting a small subset of the population who were at risk. Most people were always safe. So of course we mostly protected the safe not the unsafe. |
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Post by alec on Nov 27, 2022 7:59:22 GMT
Danny - "Surely, if someone has already had both delta and omicron, then whatever mutation each had which allowed it success will already have been covered by your immune system, so they will be no threat?" Gosh - your level of expertise on recombinant viral mutations is incredible. The world is so lucky that we have you and your incredibly insights. If you just re-read what you posted sometimes and then went off and did even some cursory research, the embarrassment would kill you. 'Jeez', as they say.
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Post by alec on Nov 27, 2022 8:04:25 GMT
mercian - "One thing you'd have to be careful about is if a poster goes back and edits what he originally wrote him/herself, but in the meantime someone else has quoted the original post. This happened to me once, and it looks as though the quoter has altered something but they haven't." True, but easily rectified on all sides. And clearly unintentional, which I think is the key here. If Trevor cares about veracity, the other simple option would have been to make his 'quote' within single apostrophes only. That would have denoted he was paraphrasing, rather than quoting.
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Post by alec on Nov 27, 2022 8:40:41 GMT
Just added a link over on the covid thread to a really interesting report on the current state of covid variants and the possible future evolutionary path. I've also added a general round up of where I think we are with cases/hospitalisations.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 27, 2022 9:21:47 GMT
Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so. 1. I've got no idea where you got that from. 2. I have merely pointed out something that should not be happening. 3. Not only that, I have also made it clear that there would be no sanction whatsoever, let alone a ban as there wasn't a current board rule in place. 4. Furthermore, I made clear that my admin post was aimed at everyone, not just you. I'll keep this chat on what is now an old thread. You can of course contact me direct using the message function (and I'm guessing 'others' have been contacting you that way). I've quoted you in full above but if it is acceptable then I've added numbers to highlight the different points you make. 1. Your two interventions in recent days were quite clearly due to things I had done (a/ change my moniker/avatar, b/ instead of reposting a whole tweet I did a 'precis' mentioning the tweet). Yet you were letting use of c*** word go with no comment until that was drawn to your attention 2. Can you clarify that. What is supposed to have not happened? If you want people to quote verbatim, including the full content of tweets, etc then the board is going to be very full of unnecessarily repeated comment. Your site so up to you. I'll abide to changes to the rules if/when you make them. Might I suggest you ask some people to be a little less hyper sensitive with their 'outrage', especially when one of the 'usual suspects' from UKPR makes up some nonsense about "falsification" and gets a few other of the 'usual suspects' all rile up with faux outrage as well. 3. Indeed, as no rules were broken. Yet, see #1. I should perhaps be flattered by the attention you give me? 4. Indeed, as no rules were broken. Yet, see #1. I should perhaps be flattered by the attention you give me? |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 27, 2022 9:33:20 GMT
It appears that Sir Keir in a Union Jack upsets some people. Whilst he has kissed a Tory then I don't think he has been "shagging" the Union Jack, although perhaps the poster/avatar is a bit provocative?? (I'm never that sure what some people seem to get so easily offended by) Anyway, since my poster/avatar does seem to upset some people then advance notice that I'll change my monicker back to the one with Sir Keir and Rachel. PS I note there is an audacious article from Sir Keir in the Sunday Wail. Well played IMO but is probably pushing his luck a bit far IMO with his own 'rats in the sack' issues and past 'pinky promises'. Trying to outflank the Tories with a keep it clean for the Frosty-Boris 'Clean Brexit'. Well that is perhaps something Arch-Remoaners can get themselves genuinely outraged about.
Sir Keir Starmer insists he won't derail Brexit as he rules out a Switzerland-style deal
- The Labour leader triggered a furious reaction from the Remainer wing of party
- Starmer has made it clear he would not cross 'red line' of freedom of movement
- Critics accused Starmer of being 'dishonest' given previous remarks on issue
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 10:31:22 GMT
A- Having had family experience of something similar, B- for such diseases. C- Theres a pretty good chance that denying an abortion means another person in the future just lost their right to life. A. So do I B-Down Syndrome isn't a "disease". Its a a condition in which a person has an extra chromosome. C-Complete and utter bollocks. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 27, 2022 14:47:44 GMT
Danny - "Surely, if someone has already had both delta and omicron, then whatever mutation each had which allowed it success will already have been covered by your immune system, so they will be no threat?" Gosh - your level of expertise on recombinant viral mutations is incredible. The world is so lucky that we have you and your incredibly insights. If you just re-read what you posted sometimes and then went off and did even some cursory research, the embarrassment would kill you. 'Jeez', as they say. The concept of recombinant DNA or here possibly RNA is that each of two organisms has one copy, but then they swap parts between them. The outcome organism will end up with either the part from the first donor or the corresponding part from the second donor. Such a new organism becomes dangerous if it inherits sections which grant it evasion to established immunity. There are perhaps four sorts of possible immunity we are concerned with. Immunity from related viruses which works against covid, ie immunity we all had from the start in varying degrees because of past exposure to corona viruses. Immunity against the first strain recombining, immunity against the second strain combining, and immunity generated by vaccine. Any of these will have some effect against all the strains of covid, or they have so far.
A virus isnt just a lego set where you can change the bricks how you like. The RNA strand has to still make sense after its change to create a complete and functional virus, if you just start randomly swapping there is a good chance the virus will just die. In the process of recombination you may create changes to the virus so that antibodies dont work, because you created something new. But most likely you are just interchanging segments for which people already have immunity under one of the four categories.
Then the problem is, people who do not have immunity under at least one of the categories. Anyone who has experienced each wave as it has come along should be fine. I have said several times thats how to stay safe. For people at high risk, giving them a vaccination gave them a start in being immune. But as the virus changes that becomes increasingly outdated, and we all automatically update by repeat exposure. Thats how it works in nature. trying to stop people being infected thwarts the way our bodies seek ot protect us. Whereas once someone has been made immune by the vaccine leg up, they then need to drop into the natural cycle.
My understanding of the science is hardly incredible, but it does seem to be a lot better than most.
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Post by alec on Nov 27, 2022 15:04:01 GMT
Danny - "My understanding of the science is hardly incredible, but it does seem to be a lot better than most." No it isn't. Stop kidding yourself. You understand so little of this you seem to actually think you know what you are talking about.
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