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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 14:33:20 GMT
Ah there speaks the grizzled old Labour warrior. Scuffed and holed foot leather, testimony to the decades of loyal ,dogged service to the Cause. Through Fair weather and Foul . Always there. Never in doubt. You tell 'em Old Soldier .  Bit weird. Weird that you think it's weird.  |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 26, 2022 14:52:02 GMT
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 15:01:34 GMT
johntel If you visit electoral calculus it provides an opportunity to factor in the tactical voting. The same numbers that provide 170 seats in uniform swing produce less than 100 with lib dems 20 or so higher using tactical voting. Thanks steve. That prompted me to look at the Electoral Calculus forecast for Mole Valley and SHOCK! HORROR! I discovered they are proposing to ABOLISH it!!!! It's the first I've heard about it!! So I looked on the Boundary Commission website and there it is in black and white - they want to re-name and re-draw it Dorking and Horley. Why? Dorking only has a population of 10,000 - the suburb of Leatherhead where I live has more than 11,000. Why get rid of beautiful and geographically accurate 'Mole Valley'? Anyway I've made my comments at www.bcereviews.org.uk/ The deadline for comments is 5th December. Furthermore, as Horley is slightly more Labour leaning than Mole Valley it will make it all the more difficult to decide who to vote for to keep out the Tory  . |
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 15:06:31 GMT
Weird that you think it's weird. Maybe one of you is using in the archaic sense? As in the Weird Sisters. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2022 15:19:38 GMT
*** ADMIN *** NeilJ (to TW): " Do not alter my posts to make it appear I wrote something I did not."I wondered what this was about. A quick review of posts revealed that TW had changed what NeilJ wrote, from: "Hard hitting from tory Minister Andrew Mitchell" To: "NeilJ said: Hard hitting twitter feed from Patrick Wintour (diplomatic editor for the Guardian)" In my view, manufacturing quotes from other posters should be entirely unacceptable in a forum like this and I hope Mark will take note. Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable. I had considered adding it to the rules in the early days of UKPR2, but, never really got round to it as I felt that it was something that was not needed as it dealt with a problem that didn't exist. As there is currently nothing in the rules that covers this, there will be no sanction, but, I will warn all members that this will not always be the case and strongly urge all members not to misquote others in the future. If (more likely when - and soon) there is a rule change to cover this, members will be informed in advance. |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 15:25:46 GMT
colin - "Young, fiesty, moving up ,Red Wall ." Interesting to see the apparent lauding of Dehenna by yourself and Mr Poppy. The alternative view, given by many of her constituents, is that she was hard to engage, paid little attention even in face to face briefings, often failed to provide a polite acknowledgement even when asked to intervene on constituents behalf in non political matters (I'm one of her many constituents in that camp) and who had no original thoughts of her own, until instructed by CCHQ. And she backed Liz Truss. She does not appear popular on the streets of Barnard Castle, that's for sure, and she remains the only local MP that has never responded to requests for help. I'd say 'self interested and more-or-less useless' as an epithet, but I'm sure you and Trevor will still be able to read her many highly impressive press releases for a while longer.
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 15:27:47 GMT
Mark - "Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable." Thankyou for that. Was just away to contact you to back up somerjohn's point, but obviously no need.
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Post by somerjohn on Nov 26, 2022 15:29:29 GMT
@mark
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Post by neilj on Nov 26, 2022 15:32:59 GMT
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 26, 2022 15:34:44 GMT
*** ADMIN *** Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable. I had considered adding it to the rules in the early days of UKPR2, but, never really got round to it as I felt that it was something that was not needed as it dealt with a problem that didn't exist. As there is currently nothing in the rules that covers this, there will be no sanction, but, I will warn all members that this will not always be the case and strongly urge all members not to misquote others in the future. If (more likely when - and soon) there is a rule change to cover this, members will be informed in advance. Pleased to see that one. It happened to me some months ago and is definitely not playing the game. |
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Post by pjw1961 on Nov 26, 2022 15:39:16 GMT
Ah there speaks the grizzled old Labour warrior. Scuffed and holed foot leather, testimony to the decades of loyal ,dogged service to the Cause. Through Fair weather and Foul . Always there. Never in doubt. You tell 'em Old Soldier . So, no "careerist politician's" in LAB then (eg Sir Keir who served for Corbyn - although that is all forgiven in my book)?  There are many careerist politicians in Labour, but it is odd to pick on Starmer. He had a very distinguished legal career before becoming an MP at the relatively late age of 52. So the very opposite of a career politician. |
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Post by steamdrivenandy on Nov 26, 2022 15:40:07 GMT
*** ADMIN *** Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable. I had considered adding it to the rules in the early days of UKPR2, but, never really got round to it as I felt that it was something that was not needed as it dealt with a problem that didn't exist. As there is currently nothing in the rules that covers this, there will be no sanction, but, I will warn all members that this will not always be the case and strongly urge all members not to misquote others in the future. If (more likely when - and soon) there is a rule change to cover this, members will be informed in advance. Pleased to see that one. It happened to me some months ago and is definitely not playing the game. GAME! Game! This, Sir, is not a game. A game is much more serious. |
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2022 15:59:16 GMT
Initial draft of new rule to cover misquotes in the 'What the board should look like' thread.
Thoughts from other members are welcome.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 26, 2022 16:12:39 GMT
*** ADMIN *** NeilJ (to TW): " Do not alter my posts to make it appear I wrote something I did not."I wondered what this was about. A quick review of posts revealed that TW had changed what NeilJ wrote, from: "Hard hitting from tory Minister Andrew Mitchell" To: "NeilJ said: Hard hitting twitter feed from Patrick Wintour (diplomatic editor for the Guardian)" In my view, manufacturing quotes from other posters should be entirely unacceptable in a forum like this and I hope Mark will take note. Falsifying a quote from another member is indeed unacceptable. I had considered adding it to the rules in the early days of UKPR2, but, never really got round to it as I felt that it was something that was not needed as it dealt with a problem that didn't exist. As there is currently nothing in the rules that covers this, there will be no sanction, but, I will warn all members that this will not always be the case and strongly urge all members not to misquote others in the future. If (more likely when - and soon) there is a rule change to cover this, members will be informed in advance. ?!?! Falsifying a quote? Patrick Wintour writes for the Guardian. His tweet was an example of someone 'falsifying a quote' if that is what you mean but I'm not sure Wintour is a member of UKPR2a. www.theguardian.com/profile/patrickwintourPerhaps just ban me again Mark, given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 16:27:02 GMT
Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so. Christ, that must be tempting. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 16:38:20 GMT
colin - "Young, fiesty, moving up ,Red Wall ." Interesting to see the apparent lauding of Dehenna by yourself and Mr Poppy . The alternative view, given by many of her constituents, is that she was hard to engage, paid little attention even in face to face briefings, often failed to provide a polite acknowledgement even when asked to intervene on constituents behalf in non political matters (I'm one of her many constituents in that camp) and who had no original thoughts of her own, until instructed by CCHQ. And she backed Liz Truss. She does not appear popular on the streets of Barnard Castle, that's for sure, and she remains the only local MP that has never responded to requests for help. I'd say 'self interested and more-or-less useless' as an epithet, but I'm sure you and Trevor will still be able to read her many highly impressive press releases for a while longer. Didn't know you were in the NE. If you are a constituent fair does. pollingreport says she would be crushed :- pollingreport.uk/seats/E14000569 |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 16:40:29 GMT
I know some folks don't like the flag waving stuff And "shagging". Steve hates them being shagged. Waving doesnt seem to bother him ? |
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Post by ladyvalerie on Nov 26, 2022 16:48:38 GMT
I never read your posters normally, but this caught my eye. God, you do talk tripe! Are you trying to say that Sir Keir didn't serve in Corbyn's shadow cabinet? As I said "all forgiven in my book" as politicans from most parties do whatever it takes to climb the greasy poll. You even see likes of LDEM Truss become a 'Tory' as there are more "career politician" opportunities with CON or LAB (or SNP in Scotland) PS My 'poster' of Sir Keir might have caught your eye. He does look quite dashing in Union Jack clothing. Only a few days until I'll change the avatar to the Xmas tree though as I know some folks don't like the flag waving stuff What was “careerist “ about serving in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet? More like a political graveyard. |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 16:49:20 GMT
Mr Poppy - "Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so." Put your big boy pants on Trevor, it's time to grow up. You've never been a victim on here. You know that, and any problems you've had are entirely of your own making.
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 26, 2022 16:50:22 GMT
I'll make a "prediction" on DD. Bit of backstory first. She is certainly a "careerist politician" and in general I do prefer people who have a bit more life experience before coming into politics - at which time being a politician is their career. Happy to have 'some exceptions to the rule' for some people who come straight into politics - it's not a hard-fast rule that I might flip/flop on depending on who it is. A few young, feisty types help with some 'balance' to the generally much older group of MPs. She was perhaps hoping to go through the well trodden 'route' of standing in an 'unlikely to win' seat before being parachuted into a safer seat once one became available. CON did better than expected in GE'19. Having found herself in a seat she perhaps didn't expect to win, she set about climbing the greasy pole (and did pretty well). Now that she is almost certain to lose her seat she is abiding by CCHQ rules and announcing she will not stand in GE'24. Keeps her in good standing with the top brass. Prediction bit: She'll be back. Probably in a safer seat and probably ready for GE'29. TBC of course but she is a "careerist politician" and hence she is just taking a prolonged sabbatical (at least that is how she can phrase it, if/when she comes back) |
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 16:52:37 GMT
Mr Poppy - "Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so." Put your big boy pants on Trevor, it's time to grow up. You've never been a victim on here. You know that, and any problems you've had are entirely of your own making. Always ready to throw a little petrol on the fire is our alec |
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Post by Mr Poppy on Nov 26, 2022 16:53:54 GMT
Mr Poppy - "Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so." Put your big boy pants on Trevor, it's time to grow up. You've never been a victim on here. You know that, and any problems you've had are entirely of your own making. Always ready to throw a little petrol on the fire is our alec Who? It should be pretty obvious, to everyone except Alec, that I've blocked Alec* (as I received a 'yellow card' before my ban and was requested to never engage with him). However, if someone whose posts I do read (like your good self) replies to someone who I've blocked (as requested in some cases) then I get to sometimes see that they are still 'trolling' (aka 'flaming' in the rules). If that is how they wish to spend their life then that is up to them of course. It doesn't bother me. All the 'victim' stuff is a false projection of their own perceived 'victim' status in being ignored IMO (but everyone is of course entitled to their own opinion - at least one hopes that is the case) * along with several others who seem to still be pursuing their petty personal vendettas from UKPR1. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 16:54:03 GMT
Mr Poppy - "Perhaps just ban me again Mark , given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so." Put your big boy pants on Trevor, it's time to grow up. You've never been a victim on here. You know that, and any problems you've had are entirely of your own making. Always ready to throw a little petrol on the fire is our alec A little! He stands at the ready with a hosepipe full  |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 17:05:18 GMT
colin and johntel - Really? Mr Poppy just offered a gratuitous insult to Mark, our host, who has never been anything other than completely straight with him. I thought the pair of you might have wanted to offer some support, and criticise clearly bad behaviour?
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Post by ladyvalerie on Nov 26, 2022 17:11:29 GMT
I never read your posters normally, but this caught my eye. God, you do talk tripe! Are you trying to say that Sir Keir didn't serve in Corbyn's shadow cabinet? As I said "all forgiven in my book" as politicans from most parties do whatever it takes to climb the greasy poll. You even see likes of LDEM Truss become a 'Tory' as there are more "career politician" opportunities with CON or LAB (or SNP in Scotland) PS My 'poster' of Sir Keir might have caught your eye. He does look quite dashing in Union Jack clothing. Only a few days until I'll change the avatar to the Xmas tree though as I know some folks don't like the flag waving stuff You can see from my avatar that Starmer was a very good-looking young man. I rather envy the young lady sitting behind him. He’s probably watching the football. He’s still handsome a la Mr Darcy. He doesn’t need to wrap a Union Jack around himself to look dashing. I see you’re en route to the naughty step. Tut tut 👩🎓 |
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 17:22:29 GMT
colin and johntel - Really? Mr Poppy just offered a gratuitous insult to Mark , our host, who has never been anything other than completely straight with him. I thought the pair of you might have wanted to offer some support, and criticise clearly bad behaviour? I think @mark is perfectly capable of looking after himself without you wading in alec Tbh I think the reaction to Trevor's minor naughtiness has been way over the top. |
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Post by alec on Nov 26, 2022 17:26:16 GMT
johntel - "Tbh I think the reaction to Trevor's minor naughtiness has been way over the top." Don't think so. It's a general rule of civilized discourse that you don't make up false quotes. That's just straight lying - don't know how else you would describe it? Some of us still believe in factual accuracy, especially when it comes to representing the views of others.
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Post by Mark on Nov 26, 2022 17:26:56 GMT
Perhaps just ban me again Mark, given you're quite clearly looking for any excuse to do so. I've got no idea where you got that from. I have merely pointed out something that should not be happening. Not only that, I have also made it clear that there would be no sanction whatsoever, let alone a ban as there wasn't a current board rule in place. Furthermore, I made clear that my admin post was aimed at everyone, not just you. |
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Post by johntel on Nov 26, 2022 17:31:15 GMT
johntel - "Tbh I think the reaction to Trevor's minor naughtiness has been way over the top." Don't think so. It's a general rule of civilized discourse that you don't make up false quotes. That's just straight lying - don't know how else you would describe it? Some of us still believe in factual accuracy, especially when it comes to representing the views of others. Yes but surely Trevor was just adding to the factual accuracy by pointing out who the person worked for? He wasn't changng the meaning in any way. Edit (in response to neilj's later post): OK actually he changed the attribution to the person who made the tweet. Hardly the crime of the century and factually still 100% accurate. PS I don't know why I'm defending Trevor here - I don't even agree with the point he was trying to make! |
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Post by moby on Nov 26, 2022 17:42:43 GMT
That's different to my experience in Wales. Several Welshmen were conversing in English in a pub when I walked in and they immediately switched to what I assume was Welsh (it sounded like gibberish interspersed with regular throat-clearing). I went into a Welsh pub once when I had a cold. I sneezed, coughed then cleared my throat. The barman nodded and proceeded to serve me a pint of bitter, glass of red wine and a bag of ready salted crisps.  Using the only Welsh I knew I said ' tidy' (translated as 'thanks') but got some very harsh looks. Only later did I realise 'tidy' is Southern.Welsh not Northern.Welsh and that their Northerners don't like their Southerners (although that is something they probably copied from the English) Sylw hiliol anwybodus nodweddiadol o drolio |
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