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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2022 17:23:02 GMT
This may sound a bit purist, but it irritates me that Bruno Ganz's mesmerising, unrivalled & definitive performance as Hitler -- has there ever been a more convincing portrayal of an historical character --- should be vulgarised in this way. Talk about a method actor inhabiting the role!
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 7, 2022 17:23:18 GMT
I should have added RIP Jack. Sadly, Sidney Poitier has also just passed away. RIP Sidney. |
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 7, 2022 17:34:30 GMT
Jack Dromey, Labour MP for Erdington and former leader of Unite has died aged 73. Got to know him a little from my time at the Jaguar plant in Castle Bromwich, part of his constituency. A good friend of mine works in his constituency office. Good and decent man who will be much missed by his friends, constituents and family. Not least by his wife Harriet Harman. Indeed, no age at all. I'm not sure how sudden it was or whether he'd been suffering from an illness. His Erdington constituency is still pretty safe, but 2019 saw it slip to its lowest Labour majority on record bar the 2010 election. It's still, as you say, a 10% margin (4,700 majority) and you would think, in current circumstances, that Labour would hold with an increased majority. Consideration and discussion of all that to come. For now, I'm just sad for Jack and his family. |
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Post by neilj on Jan 7, 2022 17:43:54 GMT
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 7, 2022 17:46:38 GMT
I should have added RIP Jack. Sadly, Sidney Poitier has also just passed away. RIP Sidney. Great actor. He appeared in probably my favourite ever film, "In The Heat of the Night", co-starring with probably my favourite ever screen actor; the peerless Rod Steiger. |
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Post by domjg on Jan 7, 2022 17:53:26 GMT
neilj Playing the 'national' anthem ad nauseum would only serve to remind people what an awful anthem it is. I remember as a student in Wales when watching England play Rugby against any other home nation side I always felt a bit sorry for the England team and fans that after a rousing passionate rendition of the other nations anthem they'd have to mumble that dirge. It's not even a national anthem really but a royal anthem. Someone can correct me but I seem to recall that the Hohenzollerns had a similar one using the same tune prior to the abdication of the Kaiser?
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 7, 2022 17:54:56 GMT
Sadly, Sidney Poitier has also just passed away. RIP Sidney. Great actor. He appeared in probably my favourite ever film, "In The Heat of the Night", co-starring with probably my favourite ever screen actor; the peerless Rod Steiger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 18:02:07 GMT
73 is no age these days. At least Birmingham Erdington is a safe seat for Labour (10% majority even in 2019). Indeed, no age at all. I'm not sure how sudden it was or whether he'd been suffering from an illness. His Erdington constituency is still pretty safe, but 2019 saw it slip to its lowest Labour majority on record bar the 2010 election. It's still, as you say, a 10% margin (4,700 majority) and you would think, in current circumstances, that Labour would hold with an increased majority. Consideration and discussion of all that to come. For now, I'm just sad for Jack and his family. I am also saddened by his death even if I met him only once, but one remembers him for his achievements. Just on life expectancy. It is not so simple, unfortunately. www.imperial.ac.uk/news/231119/life-expectancy-declining-many-english-communities/ |
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Post by neilj on Jan 7, 2022 18:06:01 GMT
neilj Playing the 'national' anthem ad nauseum would only serve to remind people what an awful anthem it is. I remember as a student in Wales when watching England play Rugby against any other home nation side I always felt a bit sorry for the England team and fans that after a rousing passionate rendition of the other nations anthem they'd have to mumble that dirge. It's not even a national anthem really but a royal anthem. Someone can correct me but I seem to recall that the Hohenzollerns had a similar one using the same tune prior to the abdication of the Kaiser? Agree it's mot a good tune or song. I would prefer Jerusalem for England football games despite it's religious connotations |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 18:10:54 GMT
neilj Playing the 'national' anthem ad nauseum would only serve to remind people what an awful anthem it is. I remember as a student in Wales when watching England play Rugby against any other home nation side I always felt a bit sorry for the England team and fans that after a rousing passionate rendition of the other nations anthem they'd have to mumble that dirge. It's not even a national anthem really but a royal anthem. Someone can correct me but I seem to recall that the Hohenzollerns had a similar one using the same tune prior to the abdication of the Kaiser? It is the same, but it derived from the British one. |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2022 18:12:02 GMT
So Nadine "usually tired & emotional Dorries has decreed the BBC will play the national anthem every night. It should give our more self-righteous brethren an opportunity to stand to attention in their Union Jack Jim Jams before trudging up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire.
As the poll quoted by Neilj shows, what's supposed to b a unfying force is in fact a divisive one.
Domjg: I thought at most sporting events they sang anything but: eg. Land of Hope & Glory [dodgy Empire reference], Jerusalem, which I would be happy to sing.
Anyone old enough (basically everyone on here) will remember when the film ended, "God Save the Queen" was drowned out by the clattering of the swing seats as everyone fled faster than if the place had been on fire.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 7, 2022 18:18:35 GMT
After the Euro 20 football tournament in the summer, I thought Sweet Caroline, the Neil Diamond ditty, was our new national anthem.
Catchy tune, singling chorus and stirring words.
Good times never felt so good. A song for our age.
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Post by crossbat11 on Jan 7, 2022 18:19:54 GMT
Singalong chorus, that should have been.
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Post by hireton on Jan 7, 2022 18:22:51 GMT
My final comment on this subject has to do with the decision of this secret barrister, whoever he is, attacking one of his fellows from his position of secrecy. I would hope that Barrett might follow this up with the Law Society as in my view, it is beyond reprehensible for a fellow barrister to be engaging in such an underhand practice. Clearly, our judges and lawyers are just as political as their counterparts in the US. The difference is, in this country you are allowed to keep your sympathies hidden. In the US they are more exposed. As for ignorance of the law being a defence as someone suggested, I learnt in 1972 in my banking exams that: ignorantia legis neminem excusat (ignorance of the law excuses no one.) The Secret Barrister has simply corrected numerous factual errors in Barrett's political opinion piece in an alt right magazine. Barrett is not a criminal lawyer so will no doubt welcome his colleague's gentle corrections and will not be a snowflake. |
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Post by bantams on Jan 7, 2022 18:23:39 GMT
I love the Benjamin Britten version of the National Anthem written for the Leeds Music Festival, I for one would be pleased if it was adopted. As for playing it every night on the Beeb, OTT I think.
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Post by steve on Jan 7, 2022 18:26:41 GMT
Maybe we should run a competition for best national anthem no reflection on the country.The BBC could run a different one each night and the ghost of Terry Wogan gets to pick the winner
My first choice would be the home of Tory and Brexit financiers Russia .
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Post by hireton on Jan 7, 2022 18:26:55 GMT
For a minute there I thought you wrote immediate castration which would have been a tad strong.............. Might stop me from writing bollocks on this site. Though others are far more fertile: I can barely raise a second star for goodness sake [b guymondeIt's quantity not quality which counts! |
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Post by steve on Jan 7, 2022 18:28:54 GMT
Only once a night surely on the hour every hour with Nadine popping around to do checks that everyone's standing to attention.
The benefit of Netflix.
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 7, 2022 18:29:39 GMT
Maybe we should run a competition for best national anthem no reflection on the country.The BBC could run a different one each night and the ghost of Terry Wogan gets to pick the winner My first choice would be the home of Tory and Brexit financiers Russia . |
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Post by neilj on Jan 7, 2022 18:37:53 GMT
Previous polls have shown Jerusalem as a clear favourite of England fans.
If it was good enough as the song for Clem Attlee's and Labour's successful 1945 election campaign it's good enough for me.
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Post by hireton on Jan 7, 2022 18:38:20 GMT
An amusing but serious example of the quality of the British nationalist media in Scotland:
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Post by leftieliberal on Jan 7, 2022 18:40:08 GMT
I've just joined Distributed Proofreaders, which prepares texts from scanned out-of-copyright books for conversion to e-books under Project Gutenberg. |I don't get anything from it apart from the satisfaction of seeing a book I have contributed to on the site.I love that site! Maybe more the principal of the thing (preserving in digital form books that might otherwise be lost) than getting that many books off it but I think it's a great idea. So you just volunteer and they give you a random book to check? |
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Post by robbiealive on Jan 7, 2022 18:58:27 GMT
Crofty. It is pretty awful In Renoir's film, La Grande Illusion, the French WW1 POWs are watching a show put on by fellow prisoners in drag (the film invented all the POW-film "tropes") when they hear Verdun has been retaken: they all start singing the Marseillaise, still in drag. In Casablanca they shamelessly steal the scene when, in Rick's cafe, the Germans start singing their anthem & the French (even the bad girl who has been screwing the Germans) drown them out with theirs. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbHFiaBw0jkwww.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_3AM_fncsSomehow God Save the Q just wouldn't generate the same emotion. Hope you like my entry in the Pete Seeger look-a-like competition. |
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Post by EmCat on Jan 7, 2022 19:04:14 GMT
An amusing but serious example of the quality of the British nationalist media in Scotland: One of the best comments I saw on the Twitter thread was: "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data', but it is 'newspaper column' " |
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Post by barbara on Jan 7, 2022 19:12:06 GMT
An amusing but serious example of the quality of the British nationalist media in Scotland: One of the best comments I saw on the Twitter thread was: "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data', but it is 'newspaper column' " Love it! I'm going to use that! |
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Post by wb61 on Jan 7, 2022 19:19:32 GMT
Thank you for that, I am usually too busy to do anything but lurk but found myself, at short notice, at a loose end today. I am, like most people I suppose, inclined to correct misconceptions about the profession and world to which I have devoted the last 30 odd years of my life. I am glad that you find it interesting and, hopefully, useful. It is all to easy to believe that the work which I find consistently interesting piques everyone else's interest too; I am, by the way, disabused of that notion each night when I return home  . Looking back I wish I had done a law degree instead of my comparatively useless history one. The trouble is that even in the mid '80s you needed excellent A level grades to do law at a major university. I could have gone to Oxford Poly or the City of London Poly, but in end I chose to do history at Birmingham University. My teachers strangely discouraged me from the legal profession because of the costs that would have to be met in training. Not coming from a very pecunious family background, I listened to them. I may have given my potted history before but I too came from a working class poor background. I left school at 16 without qualifications ended up first as a bus conductor then as a driver. I was a trade union rep at 21 and the Union sent me on courses on one of which a tutor told me to stop wasting my time and get an education. I obtained a place at Ruskin College, an adult education college. I intended to be an economist and studied for a diploma in Labour Studies, however I had to do other units one of which was law; I gained a distinction in the law unit. Path of least resistance took me to applying for law degree's and I was lucky enough to get a place at Balliol. Thereafter I went to Bar school, I had to get a loan from the bank to do that. Six months of unpaid pupillage followed and I was on my uppers by the time nine months had passed and I was actually paid some money for work I did in my second six months. However, from there I went on and during the course of time set up my own Chambers which is still going today. About 11 years ago I took up a role which does not permit me to be active in politics. I remain LOC in my attitudes to party politics. I am glad I took the risk in borrowing but it was touch and go for a while. |
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Post by tancred on Jan 7, 2022 19:39:35 GMT
Looking back I wish I had done a law degree instead of my comparatively useless history one. The trouble is that even in the mid '80s you needed excellent A level grades to do law at a major university. I could have gone to Oxford Poly or the City of London Poly, but in end I chose to do history at Birmingham University. My teachers strangely discouraged me from the legal profession because of the costs that would have to be met in training. Not coming from a very pecunious family background, I listened to them. I may have given my potted history before but I too came from a working class poor background. I left school at 16 without qualifications ended up first as a bus conductor then as a driver. I was a trade union rep at 21 and the Union sent me on courses on one of which a tutor told me to stop wasting my time and get an education. I obtained a place at Ruskin College, an adult education college. I intended to be an economist and studied for a diploma in Labour Studies, however I had to do other units one of which was law; I gained a distinction in the law unit. Path of least resistance took me to applying for law degree's and I was lucky enough to get a place at Balliol. Thereafter I went to Bar school, I had to get a loan from the bank to do that. Six months of unpaid pupillage followed and I was on my uppers by the time nine months had passed and I was actually paid some money for work I did in my second six months. However, from there I went on and during the course of time set up my own Chambers which is still going today. About 11 years ago I took up a role which does not permit me to be active in politics. I remain LOC in my attitudes to party politics. I am glad I took the risk in borrowing but it was touch and go for a while. You have had quite a life! You took a gamble and it paid off handsomely. I admire you for your tenacity. My working life hasn't been much fun because I never knew what I wanted to do, nor did I care much. I just stumbled into jobs after leaving university and settled on a career in IT - it could have been worse. My background is more lower middle class and I was one of the brightest at school, though I admit I was quite lazy. |
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Post by lululemonmustdobetter on Jan 7, 2022 19:42:17 GMT
Wow Colin, you either have a rather unhealthy obsession with National Anthems or way too much time on your hands! 
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Post by oldnat on Jan 7, 2022 19:49:14 GMT
Unsurprisingly the Scots sample in that YG survey of attitudes to the BBC playing GTSQ every day, is rather different from those in the more southern parts of GB.
A majority - 57% (more than two thirds of those with an opinion) are opposed.
There would be, however, two benefits from its introduction -
1. an even greater increase in the number of Scots not paying for a TV licence
2. increased support for indy among those not yet convinced.
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